• AVincentInSpace@pawb.socialEnglish
    496·
    11 months ago

    man I knew this was going to be rough when I saw him wearing a vegan shirt but god DAMN

    “All Arch users are stupid vegan crossfitters who never shut up and contribute nothing to society and the only thing they ever care about is making their desktop look l33t and Arch is a horrible distro and did I mention all Arch users are stupid?”

    Oh. My. Sides.

    I switched from Ubuntu to Arch because I was sick of packages not compiling due to a complete lack of dependency management. I use stock KDE with zero frills and I spend most of my time hacking on open source projects. I never tell anyone what OS I use (unless they ask for recommendations for their new machine, and I’m prepared to also tell them why I personally prefer it) because they don’t care. I’m a normal guy who keeps myself to myself and hates the people who think a pretty desktop is more important than a usable system just as much as everyone else.

    However, I use Arch, and Arch bad, which means I must be the most annoying person on the planet.

    • Meseta@discuss.tchncs.de
      6·
      11 months ago

      You gotta take this less personally.

      As an open source maintainer I notice the trend that Arch uses are simultaneously the most likely to have caused the issue themselves and are always the first to blame my software.

      I think these memes stem from the fact that a lot of Arch users are less experienced and spend a lot of time trying to create the “perfect” customized experience. Using Arch is a great way to get the experience, but it can be at the detriment of others sometimes.

      Basically, learn to take it on the chin and move on. There’s some truth to the memes.

    • _cnt0@sh.itjust.worksOP
      1021·
      11 months ago

      “All Arch users are stupid vegan crossfitters who never shut up and contribute nothing to society and the only thing they ever care about is making their desktop look l33t and Arch is a horrible distro and did I mention all Arch users are stupid?”

      Spot on! You could have left out all the text after that.

    • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
      8·
      11 months ago

      I’m vegan for health reasons and I have yet to meat one of the infamous vegans the stereotype portrays. I ask questions, look for recipes, etc, and everyone has been super nice. I think “those vegans” live primarily on Twitter and Reddit.

      PS: I’ve had a working Linux system in daily use since I started back with Red Hat Halloween and I prefer Debían based installs like Pop!_OS and Mint D. Nothing against Arch but I ain’t got time to fight the OS as well as my work.

      EDIT: The typo stays.

      • otp@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        11 months ago

        They’re also on Lemmy. I haven’t been here long, but I’ve already seen 2.

        One is right here in another comment chain, lol

      • Faresh@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        This is very likely my very environmentally influenced view, but I think there was a period of time where being vegan was a trend among the health hipsters, who weren’t vegan due to ethics, but because either everyone else was doing it or because they claim it has massive health benefits like they did for paleo, keto or other diets. Those I think could indeed fit that stereotype. Or maybe I’m living in a fairy tale.

    • Just_Pizza_Crust@lemmy.world
      1·
      11 months ago

      Part of being vegan is understanding you’ll be mocked and criticized for completely unrelated things. Like Bubly sparkling water or blue denim, for example.

  • Vespair@lemm.ee
    16·
    11 months ago

    I’ve been considering dipping my toes in and trying to learn Linux for the first time recently, having seen a couple screenshots from Mint that look approachable and not intimidating… Can somebody tell me how Mint would fair if it was included in this comic so I know what I’m getting myself into (or if I should try Fedora or something…)

    edit: typo

    • CleanDefinition@lemmy.world
      17·
      11 months ago

      Mint is hands down the easiest and most stable distro I have ever used. You don’t need the terminal at all. Comes with everything necessary preconfigured and if you need any tutorial you can use any Ubuntu tutorial (its based on Ubuntu).

    • whereisk@lemmy.world
      8·
      11 months ago

      You can dip your toes and have a basic Linux desktop to play with up and running in 10 minutes (less if you know what you are doing).

      It will run in a virtual environment within windows (assuming you’re running 10 or 11).

      So you don’t risk anything relating to disk partitioning.

      And you can always start it when you have a few mins to play with it without closing down everything else you’re working on.

      Not mint though. Ubuntu desktop which is I think is also pretty relaxed.

      See here basic instructions

      • Vespair@lemm.ee
        3·
        11 months ago

        Not to ambush you into tech support, but I decided to take your advice and try that, but I’m instantly stopped and trying to google the answer for myself is just leading to vague powershell language and I’m fully unfamiliar with powershell. I installed WSL and Ubuntu, but when I attempt to open Ubuntu I’m getting:

        “Installing, this may take a few minutes… WslRegisterDistribution failed with error: 0x80004002 Error: 0x80004002 No such interface supported”

        Any idea what I’m doing wrong? The site I’m following (your link) doesn’t mention this error or how to overcome it, unless I’m just to dumb to decipher it.

        • odelik@lemmy.today
          5·
          11 months ago

          If you’re running Windows 10/11 Home Edition you may have to also enable the following windows features as well:

          • Virtual Machine Platform
          • Windows Hypervisor Platform (mixed reports of being needed)
          • Vespair@lemm.ee
            5·
            11 months ago

            I think this solved it! I got the installing message when I opened Ubuntu! 👍

            • fiddlestix@lemmy.world
              5·
              11 months ago

              If you’ve got a spare USB stick laying around then you could install Ventoy on it (https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html) and run Linux in a live environment. Just (1) install Ventoy on the USB (this will wipe it, btw) (2) download any live Linux ISO (Mint has one of these) and put it on the USB (3) change your BIOS boot order to USB first (4) reboot and select the Linux you want to test drive from the Ventoy menu. (5) When you’re done, just shut down, unplug USB and reboot normally.

        • whereisk@lemmy.world
          3·
          11 months ago

          It’s quite possible you’re running wsl 1 - some.versions of windows 10 never upgraded that subsystem - not sure why.

          But it might need wsl 2.

          Open PowerShell as Administrator and run: wsl --set-default-version 2

          That should upgrade the Virtual environment subsystem but not the ubuntu installation - you can delete it and start again.

          Or you can try and upgrade it.

          Run this in your PowerShell. wsl.exe -l -v

          It should show you the Ubuntu install, the state, and the version.

          It should say 1, under version, if my assumption is correct.

          If so you need to upgrade it to 2 also.

          Copy the exact Name - it might say Ubuntu-20.04 or just Ubuntu etc .

          If it says “Running” and not Stopped terminate it like so: wsl -t Distro-Name

          Then run the command below (again, replace name with your exact name).

          wsl --set-version distro-name 2

          Then try to start it from its shortcut again.

          Let me know if that worked.

          • Vespair@lemm.ee
            1·
            11 months ago

            *Windows PowerShell Copyright © Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

            Try the new cross-platform PowerShell https://aka.ms/pscore6

            PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> wsl.exe -l -v Windows Subsystem for Linux has no installed distributions.

            Use ‘wsl.exe --list --online’ to list available distributions and 'wsl.exe --install ’ to install.

            Distributions can also be installed by visiting the Microsoft Store: https://aka.ms/wslstore Error code: Wsl/WSL_E_DEFAULT_DISTRO_NOT_FOUND PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> wsl --set-default-version 2 For information on key differences with WSL 2 please visit https://aka.ms/wsl2 The operation completed successfully. PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> wsl.exe -l -v Windows Subsystem for Linux has no installed distributions.

            Use ‘wsl.exe --list --online’ to list available distributions and 'wsl.exe --install ’ to install.

            Distributions can also be installed by visiting the Microsoft Store: https://aka.ms/wslstore Error code: Wsl/WSL_E_DEFAULT_DISTRO_NOT_FOUND PS C:\WINDOWS\system32>*

            Still getting this when I try to open Ubuntu:

            *Installing, this may take a few minutes… WslRegisterDistribution failed with error: 0x80370114 Error: 0x80370114 The operation could not be started because a required feature is not installed.

            Press any key to continue…*

            I did make sure the subsystem feature in windows features was turned on, btw

            • whereisk@lemmy.world
              3·
              11 months ago

              Wsl seems to be installed since it responded to the command to set it to version 2.

              But it doesn’t sound like it ever installed Ubuntu properly since it shows no installed distributions.

              Quick search shows that you need to enable the following windows features:

              Virtual Machine Platform And Windows Hypervisor Platform

              Are these enabled?

              Edit:

              Someone already answered the same thing but I didn’t see it before posting this. Well done and glad it’s working.

    • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
      7·
      11 months ago

      If you just want to get to using and enjoying an operating system without reveling in nerdery (which can be fun!), Mint is fantastic. Just make sure you understand partitioning basics if you want to install alongside Windows.

      You can’t go wrong using something like VirtualBox to try the install process without touching your actual system :).

      If it were depicted in this comic, it would be even easier than Debian because it doesn’t lean toward any particular extreme, it just goes for being usable.

      I’m pretty sure there’s a simple check box to include proprietary codecs and things that are commonly used, so you can still watch Netflix or open .mp4s and stuff.

      Wide variety of drivers. Should just work on most systems. Friendly community if it doesn’t!

      That said sometimes the applications feel a bit old, and you’re looking over at people playing with shiny new features in something like Blender or Krita…

      Well, Mint has flatpaks built into the software store! Flatpak is basically a self-contained app that can be the latest version so it doesn’t care about the rest of your system and “just works.”

      Hope you enjoy it! :)

      • Vespair@lemm.ee
        5·
        11 months ago

        What’s the process of switching distros? If I start with Mint but do decide later I’m enticed by those shiny new features, will switching over be akin to starting entirely over and learning a whole new system, or is it gonna more similar to just like reinstalling windows for a clean install (to use an analogy situation I’m familiar with)?

        edit: wrote dispo instead of distro, goddamn stoner brain

        • dan@upvote.au
          5·
          11 months ago

          Create a separate partition for /home so you can change distro without having to backup and restore the files in your home directory. Just be sure to NOT format that partition in the installer for your new distro. Take a backup anyways.

        • Kethal@lemmy.world
          4·
          11 months ago

          It’s mostly a clean installation. You can copy the contents of your home directory, which is where personal configuration files are stored, in the hopes that some stuff will transfer, but surely that won’t be complete.

          You could also try dual booting, installing two OSes and you’d choose which to run at start up. You can configure these so that files on one are accessible from the other. This is pretty easy to do if you’re even slightly tech savvy.

          I’ve found that the shiney new features are usually buggy. If you’re into helping improve things, using and fixing the new stuff is a great way to contribute. If you’re reasonably tech savvy, you’re going to be able to figure out any distribution. With few exceptions, they’re all easy enough to use. I even doubt the portrayal of Arch in this comic. If you’re not into developing stuff or just want to get your feet wet before diving in more, starting with Mint is easy. And it’s also easy enough to switch or expand if you decide to try something different later. There’s not a lot of lock in with Linux stuff.

        • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today
          1·
          11 months ago

          The other answers are spot on!

          The only thing I really have to add regarding “shiny new features”, is you can fire up something like VirtualBox and make “virtual” installs of other distros on your current machine.

          A virtual machine or “VM” is basically running an emulated computer on your currently running computer, just like it was a program or game. But everything is self-contained in that emulated system.

          So in Mint for example, you can still download other distro ISOs, get used to running the install process, trying out new things, basically just playing around and experimenting, because if you bork the whole thing it won’t affect your working “bare metal” system you’re using. You can just delete the file and start over as if it were a brand new computer! It’s strangely fun and has a lot of practical uses. (You know, like seeing what all this fuss is about with Temple OS for instance lol)

          You can find a ton of interesting distros to play with on Distrowatch.com for instance, from stuff that’s meant to run on embedded devices to stuff that’s straight up memes. Lol

          If you decide to actually switch your bare-metal system using the advice above, you’ll have a lot more experience then. :)

          As for other distros, distro-hopping can be a lot of fun, but just remember in the end, there’s not as much difference between distros as it seems.

          Mostly it’s about whether it’s rolling release or LTS, the desktop environment it starts with, and the packages / package-manager it ships with, aside from different specific customizations that team might have done.

          Essentially Linux is Linux, but different distros cater to a certain kind of use case, audience, community, and so on.

          The beauty and fun of Linux is choice and always having more you can learn!

          Also Mint is often touted as a “beginner distro” but that doesn’t mean it can’t be a main driver for pros! There’s nothing wrong if you find you enjoy sticking with it in the long run. :)

          Have a lot of fun!

    • Kethal@lemmy.world
      3·
      11 months ago

      Mint is a based on Ubuntu, which is based on Debian, so the guy on the left. The comic implies that it’s easy but not quite as easy as Fedora. I would say that it is easier to use than Fedora.

      Setup is simple and unless you’ve got something unusual going on on your computer, then everything will just work. Since it’s based on Ubuntu, most Ubuntu information will also apply to Mint, and that’s nice because there is a lot of information about Ubuntu.

      Not everyone would care about this, but I personally don’t like chasing updates and constantly installing the latest versions of things. All Debian distributions favor stability over cutting edge features, whereas some distributions are set up to try to get the latest changes quickly. Ubuntu leans very slightly toward cutting edge compared to stock Debian, but Ununtu has Long Term Support (LTS) releases which are supported for, I think, 5 years. Ubuntu also have other releases with shorter support times. If you’re using Ubuntu and favor stability, you need to pay a little attention to what you’re installing. Mint is based only on Ubuntu LTS releases, so Mint favors stability.

  • MTK@lemmy.world
    8·
    11 months ago

    Me being an arch using vegan with a man-bun makes this feel like a personal attack.

    But once I get my new arch setup working I’ll install gimp on it and create a meme making fun of you!

    • kautau@lemmy.world
      4·
      11 months ago

      And you’ll finally get your sound working on your new laptop after weeks of messing with pulse audio and realizing you just needed to install sof-firmware but didn’t scroll far enough in the wiki to see that, but now your pulse audio config is so messed up it’s just easier to reinstall Arch again

      Source: my life

  • shrugal@lemm.ee
    91·
    11 months ago

    No way the Fedora user figured out how to configure partitions in the installer without having to google it at least five times! I’ve installed Fedora a few times over the years, and that UI still makes no sense to me!

  • nexussapphire@lemm.eeEnglish
    7·
    11 months ago

    Basic kde install, I have it up in 30 min and then I never touch it again. Definitely better than a persistent full system lockup at the installer boot screen or installed system boot screen with no error logs.

    It’s probably either my 2070 super graphics card or my MSI x570 ace. Not worth the hassle of figuring out if I can’t find a solution on Google.

    I blame MSI because their software and bios was always janky. But hay, you gotta piss with the cock you got.

  • Koma@feddit.it
    5·
    11 months ago

    Installed fedora and then used distro box to have arch packages. It’s like cheating but I can run packages that aren’t in repo without the shit storm of the versioning. Is absurd how aur is so good but base configuration sucks so much 🤣

  • Prunebutt@feddit.de
    72·
    11 months ago

    What the guy on the right is doing seems like cultural appropriation of trans catgirl culture.

    • Dion Starfire@sh.itjust.works
      4·
      11 months ago

      I was thinking something similar. I use Arch because it’s easy and user friendly for me. I also come from a history of using Slackware in the mid-90s, to Gentoo in the mid-00s, to Arch in the mid-teens. So whenever anyone asks how I got to where I am with Linux, I generally recommend that they don’t follow the same path of pain, and start on something that’s actually user-friendly like Mint or Ubuntu.

      • comador @lemmy.world
        1·
        11 months ago

        Glad I’m not the only one haha… I am similar to you: Started on Linux with Slackware 95 distributed via Walnut Creek publishing and mailed “gasp”. make menu;make menuconfig ftw! I still use Slack at home, but am a RHEL and SuSE guy by trade.