Meanwhile, instead, give up your privacy for age verification.

Instead of a safe, which requires parents to be accountable, why not have routine in home government inspections? It’s to protect the children.

(Also, yes, no guns would do it, just drawing a parallel here in our stupid governments oppressing us)

Elon, you’re an idiot.

But go on, protect your own comfort by hiding scores rather than facing criticism head on. That’s real confidence in your ideology.

Elitism has never, and will never, be applied fairly. Hierarchies create fascism. “Capability” is never assesed neutrally, it’s assessed by existing power structures and by those in power who look and think similarly. Hence, bigotry, hence fascism, hence authoritarianism. If you believe we live in a meritocracy right now you’re either a billionaire, politician, or just a useful idiot.

Your ideology literally disgusts me.

Gotta back those donors and “work across the aisle.”

C’mon guys, white supremacy isn’t that bad. We’ve got free Klan hoods from the republicans.

Democrats calling for more war?

It’s like we’re an imperialist nation and both major parties and reigning in fascism or something…

Not like we’d actually pay reparations for an illegal war and impeach and convict all those responsible with treason.

I’d even say deport them to Iran.

It’s a moral panic being co-opted by those in power. (Ironically, many of those in power being predators themselves, especially here in the US where they’re a major political party 🙃)

Some I can think of off the top of my head:

• The Patriot Act
• COINTELPRO
• The Satanic Panic and resultant legislation
• The War on Drugs

Legitimate concern gets amplified to a moral panic and then legislation is quickly put forth but is never tested or thoroughly understood. And given that most legislation today is written by lobbyists…well 🤷‍♂️

I’m sure stupidity is a part of it, but that might be a bit too convenient. It’s usually some genuine intention that then gets swept up and captured by malicious infrastructure. They know what they’re doing. They’re narcissists, unempathetic, and the most willing to exploit. Capitalism in a nutshell.

That’s why I’m saying hold the parents and the corporations accountable. Peel back data collection and restrict algorithmic content altogether. Enforce/provide parental education for online technologies and children. Basically, pay attention to your kids, be interested in them and their lives. The infrastructure exists on these social media platforms to restrict and monitor access, as well as it exists at the router level and at the device level as well. It’s the parents who purchase the device and provide internet access. Would we be ok with in home governmental inspections on all of us so that kids can’t have access to a gun or alcohol? No, it’s up to the parent to protect their child from danger. Why is this any different? Why should we all give up our privacy?

As I said, hold the corporations accountable. It was never about children in the first place.

I would try avoiding saying fascistic/bigoted/elitist/authoritarian things then. Just some friendly advice.

Social media is absolutely addictive and making people unhappy.

But how do you enforce this without removing anonymity?

Once again, they’re going the corporate/government friendly route of surveillance. Ban VPNs, age vefification, soon we’ll be required to use biometric checks to access the internet.

These chucklefucks will do anything other than attempt to solve the problem. Which is more education and help for parents while holding parents and the corporations accountable. But that would cost money rather than having lobbyists and donors fund them even more so 🤷‍♂️

It all comes back to capitalism.

In response, can we declare that the homes of these idiots are public bathrooms now? Since we wouldn’t be able to go inside like our modern society dictates. Time to regress I guess.

And how many of us are working paycheck to paycheck still?

Wonder if that might correlate a tidbit.

Make the software foss too and i’m in

It’s dominant because of…consumer choice? Isn’t that supposed to be a good thing?

Why is it a monopoly? Epic, Xbox, Amazon, and more exist…they just don’t follow the steam template nor invest in their platform as much as steam does. 🤷‍♂️ how is Valve acting in an anti-competitive way?

They are absolutely terrified of Platner taxing them aren’t they?

I think that tells us all we need to know.

I wonder if they’re feeling what we felt with Trump where no matter how many truths we told about his scandals he kept going. The difference this time is that it’s democrats and republicans lying and trying to manufacture scandals, but it’s not slowing him down.

Hell yeah Maine, tax those terrorists!

Another user said similar, so:

Just to clarify I wasn’t trying to insinuate anything of Rossman’s political stance. I was just using it as an example to describe the more aggressive nature towards protecting people over corporations. Which is often a leftist stance but doesn’t mean you’re necessarily a leftist.

And yeah, I’m also not a fan of FUTO’s, their strategy for licensing for example, I looked into Grayjay and ultimately went to Newpipe. While better than entirely closed source, it still centralizes control so 🤷‍♂️

But I entirely agree, he’s definitely more towards the center. However, right to repair and his fight against corporations are obviously worth supporting.

Just to clarify I wasn’t trying to insinuate anything of Rossman’s political stance. I was just using it as an example to describe the more aggressive nature towards protecting people over corporations. Which is often a leftist stance but doesn’t mean you’re necessarily a leftist.

It’s a solution in search of a problem.

And it’s a bunch of misanthropic sociopaths with main character syndrome who read scifi novels and saw the warnings as a guideline because “I’m the super smartest, I can implement it correctly, and I have to be first, because those other guys won’t do it correctly”

Same way you use the phrase “no offense” right? Lol

Visa and Mastercard are the reason steam removed a bunch of adult games and itch.io removed all adult games.

Because a payment processor is a moral arbiter for what you spend your money on.

I believe a bit of that we’re seeing is being self-titled as “dark woke” lol. I’d count myself among them. Where, instead of trying to hold decorum and be super duper respectful, if you see or hear someone doing something immoral, you call that shit out and you do it hard. Modern day “punch a Nazi” and not accrue assault charges essentially.

Not to turn it entirely political, but I see it as the next step based on how politics have evolved. Conservatives would often do and say terrible things themselves, but then they’d tell liberals/centrists “but where’s the tolerant left, where’s you’re decorum, how could you do these terrible things” etc etc and it would work fairly well where establishment dems would shrink back in their holes or they’d “work across the aisle” and produce half measures that barely helped the public, if at all, rather than standing on principle.

Now, I think you’re seeing a lot more, especially leftists, essentially say fuck that and push back and go on the offensive to knock them down a peg. And given that most conservative talking points are all bluster, they have no real principle or ideology, it falls flat with a more aggressive stance backed up by facts and principle.

Louis gives off that to me, as many leftists are grounded in principle to do what is right for people and humanity. He’s saying, look, Samsung, you’re a piece of shit and I know you’re a piece of shit to others, and I know that you know others won’t be able to push back against you, you’re taking advantage of them. So fuck you, I’ll stand up for both myself and all the others you’ve been harming. Let’s fucking go.

People are tired. And we know what is right. And we’re tired of being gaslit and taken advantage of.

An example of what I’m kind of talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZzZCo_JKO4

Fair point, and I’ll concede, but only partially, as it is nit what is being discussed here. Starmer’s proposal isn’t asking for Apple to expand their system, it’s mandating platforms to comply and make it impossible, and the platforms can choose how to do so. On-device detection that never leaves the device is a meaningfully different privacy profile than server-side scanning or breaking E2E encryption. Apple’s Communication Safety feature works roughly as you described and that architecture is less invasive than the worst case scenario. If every implementation were genuinely on-device, opt-in, parent-controlled, and open source verifiable, it would be a different conversation.

But that’s where my concession stops.

We can only take a corporation’s word that it’s truly on-device and nothing is retained. The history of that promise is not encouraging. There have been multiple instances across the industry of companies guaranteeing on-device processing only for that data to appear in breach disclosures afterward. Closed, proprietary systems cannot be independently verified. We’re being asked to trust the architecture of companies whose entire business model is built on data extraction.

There’s also a false positive problem. Google has already implemented similar detection and there are confirmed cases of users having their entire Google accounts permanently locked after photographing their own child in the bath. Emails, photos, Drive, business files, income streams, all gone, with no meaningful appeals process. The harm from a false positive in a system like this isn’t a minor inconvenience, it’s potentially catastrophic and irreversible.

And then there’s the infrastructure problem. The Patriot Act is, once again, the prime example. You build the architecture for one stated purpose and then it gets legislated into something broader. Age verification is the live example happening right now. It started as self-attestation. That wasn’t sufficient so it became on-device ID verification. That wasn’t sufficient so it became third party trusted providers. Private vendors like Persona and kID. Both of which have had documented breaches after promising on-device verification themselves. This is literally the documented trajectory of every surveillance infrastructure built in the name of protection.

It’s never a matter of if they legislate it further. It’s when. And who profits from the expanded version.