“[…] what we’re witnessing now is the systematic dismantling of this entire architecture of peace—not through external defeat, but through internal surrender”

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    “This” crisis? Where the fuck were you motherfuckers eight years ago? How the fuck did we get BACK here?

    Living under this bullshit is insane enough but having everyone be like “oh gosh this is bad, isn’t it” is doubly insanerating. YES. WE KNEW THIS ALREADY. WHY ARE WE HERE AGAIN.

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      Where were they two decades ago? Oh yeah, passing the Patriot Act to trample on our rights and authorizing the Iraq War to kill hundreds of thousands abroad. Now they uphold Bush as a shining example of a good republican. Honestly, with all the shit the US has been doing to the world over the decades, maybe it eating itself is not actually a crisis.

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        I get it. You’re coming up in the equivalent of GHWBush and the first egregious Gulf War. Democrats are ineffective at best, incompetent and buffonish most of the time, and often jump the fence and do the exact opposite of what you want them to do sometimes. Particularly when there’s a lot of flag-waving going on.

        But I’m here to tell you it’s not like that now. Back then, or even in the Gee Dubz horror years, there was no AOC or The Squad or Bernie or (well, yes there was Bernie but he got no press. That’s a whole other story.) and there sure as hell wasn’t real-time communication between actual Democrats as to what the fuck the party thinks it’s doing.

        I’m saying that we’re pissing away a huge battleship, already gassed up and outfitted, because a bunch of russia-influenced twits who just put down Das Kapital and have less than zero experience with the machine that is the US Government, thinks Democrats bad.

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          AOC, The Squad, and Bernie are all still a tiny minority in the party and when they speak up in any significant way, they get punished for it: https://apnews.com/article/congress-house-censure-resolution-tlaib-8085189047a4c40f2d44ada4604aa076

          Sure, Bernie can repeatedly talk about going after the oligarchs/the 1%, striving for free healthcare, and so on, but democrats know that he is not going to achieve his goals. Tlaib, in speaking about israel, was speaking on an issue where more direct action could easily be taken and so “centrists” felt threatened. Similarly, Bernie received the most opposition from the democratic party when he ran in the 2016 and 2020 primaries.

          If progressives start gaining more power, they will get stomped down, as we could see by democrats making efforts to get rid of them or prevent them from winning in primaries: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/15/politics/progressive-democratic-house-candidates-primaries/index.html

          Of course democrats are better than republicans (an extremely low bar to clear), but they’re not the huge battleship you frame them as. They do not fight for us unless it’s on issues that do not threaten the interests of the ultrawealthy. This is why they will endlessly talk about reproductive and LGBT rights, but even then democrats will still let those rights stay in a precarious position so that they can keep using them as talking points. For example: https://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/us/politics/15abortion.html

          But even as Mr. Obama has delighted abortion rights advocates, he has dialed back some earlier ambitions. In 2007, he promised Planned Parenthood that “the first thing I’d do as president” would be to sign the Freedom of Choice Act, which effectively codifies Roe v. Wade. Now he says the bill is “not my highest legislative priority,” as he put it at a recent news conference.

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            AOC, The Squad, and Bernie are all still a tiny minority in the party

            Are you well versed in every Democrat in Congress and their positions and statements over the last eight years? If so, I’d like to ask you questions. However, you are not. So where do you get this crap? I know where you get this crap. It’s the corporate news, like everyone else.

            Did you want to argue you read all the beltway newsletters, interact with grassroots organizations, and have a buddy who tends bar at the local Dem watering hole? Again, if so, I’d like to ask questions.

            . . . striving for free healthcare, and so on, but democrats know that he is not going to achieve his goals.

            What the - who are “democrats” here? And what is "know"ing that he is not going to (what is) “achieve” “his” goals? “Leftists create telepathic webbing of negative function that support evil farts around the world.” That’s what that sounds like. Crazy shit. Define some terms at least.

            Similarly, Bernie received the most opposition from the democratic party when he ran in the 2016 and 2020 primaries.

            “the most opposition” eh. What did they do to him in 2020? Answer as completely as possible and cite your sources, as there will be follow ups. (TL;DR: You read it in a comment somewhere and took it as gospel). Hey, I’ll give you DWS who was booted from the party as soon as it came to light but you need to acknowledge the latter to get that one. You also need to explain his primary losses. Why can’t you support Bernie? He’s asking you to support the Democrats. You choose to flip him off because you supposedly agree with him.

            If progressives start gaining more power, they will get stomped down,

            'Twas ever thus. But we’ve never had instant worldwide communication before in such an open format. So far we’ve used it to fumble the one thing we should have absolutely done. Go progressives. Morons.

            democrats making efforts to get rid of them or prevent them from winning in primaries

            That cnn article is great. I followed the author to find this which is also relevant. Check the date on that one.

            I would argue that this means progressives need to be more involved in the Democratic party to finally take it over as it should be. But instead they’re jerking off to Marx and backing no one and doing nothing.

            they’re not the huge battleship you frame them as.

            Well you’re wrong there. They have a national organization, it’s huge, and they have money and connections. What does Deez Nutz have? A twitter account.

            . . .endlessly talk about reproductive and LGBT rights, but even then democrats will still let those rights stay in a precarious position so that they can keep using them as talking points.

            No. Also wrong. It’s a popular talking point. It’s equivalent to “50,000 Elvis fans can’t be wrong!” but it is wrong.

            Now he says the bill is “not my highest legislative priority,” as he put it at a recent news conference.

            Do you know the context of that quote? If you did, you wouldn’t be so sure it’s a great example of your previous incorrect assumption.