I’m trying out Obsidian for taking notes, and this made me laugh.

  • bioemerl@kbin.social
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    8 months ago

    Vim really is an IDE, not a text editor. It’s usable as an editor but overkill.

    Nano serves a difference purpose. It’s like telling someone on a bike that a mustang is better.

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      8 months ago

      Vim is absolutely not an IDE. It has no integrations with any language. It’s just a powerful text editor. You can add language plugins and configure it to be an IDE.

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        No offense intended here - But why is this being upvoted?

        vim absolutely is an IDE if that is how you want to use it. Syntax highlighting, linter, language specific autocomplete, integrated sed/regex. And much, much more.

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          Syntax highlighting, linting, and language specific autocomplete are features supported by plugins and scripts. Plain, simple vim is a powerful extensible text editor. The extensibility makes it easy to turn into an IDE.

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              Yeah, there is a generic syntax highlighting scheme. I had forgotten because it’s not very good for some languages, I’d replaced it with a LSP-based implementation years ago.

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              I’m not a text editor. But anyway, would you call a shell script that invokes python.exe $1 a Python IDE? Why would you? Vim isn’t designed to facilitate the use of vimscript, vimscript is just an extensibility feature of Vim.

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                Vim isn’t designed to facilitate the use of vimscript, vimscript is just an extensibility feature of Vim.

                Vim is designed to edit code, by the people who were doing it back in the 70s and all of its features are there to enable better, faster, and more efficient editing.

                It has scripts for the sake of those scripts enabling integrated developer features. Because they’re part of vim they’re in the environment and the program is used predominantly for development.

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                  Vim is designed to edit code

                  To edit text files. It doesn’t matter if it’s code, configuration files, or plaintext. There are no interpreters, no compilers, no debuggers, nothing designed to support any particular framework or language or workflow. All of that is possible to add through the extensibility features.

                  Vim is a highly configurable text editor built to make creating and changing any kind of text very efficient.

                  Vim is an advanced text editor that seeks to provide the power of the de-facto Unix editor ‘Vi’, with a more complete feature set.

                  Vim is a highly configurable text editor built to enable efficient text editing.

                  https://vim.org/

                  Vim is a text editor which includes almost all the commands from the Unix program “Vi” and a lot of new ones. It is very useful for editing programs and other plain text.

                  https://vimhelp.org/intro.txt.html#intro.txt

                  It has scripts for the sake of those scripts enabling integrated developer features.

                  Those features aren’t enabled nor integrated. They’re added to Vim at its extensibility points. Baseline vim doesn’t have them.

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                    i don’t care if vim is an text editor or ide but i just wanted to ask if they even had debugger back when vim was created ?

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        @kogasa Hehe, shit, so long done something wrong as I use #vim as an IDE. Okay, some own helpers, some plugins, the direct integration for #golang via LSP and since some time also ChatGPT and Copilot. But hey, it’s no IDE. 🤪