The conservative movement has built its case against gender-affirming care on the authority of anachronistic, faulty clinical research.
The conservative movement has built its case against gender-affirming care on the authority of anachronistic, faulty clinical research.
This is not compromising with conservatives. It’s compromising with popular attitude towards the conversation. This is the problem with progressives right now, you contradict yourselves, arent you supposed to be a movement of the people for the people?
I know you aren’t but this is what many progressives claim so maybe solve that internal contradiction if you want to appeal to the masses. People may be stupid but they can see the anti populist attitude of the progressives and this is why you don’t have their support.
Hmmm, who also wanted to go with the populist values at the expense of human rights? Nazis. We want all humans to be equal, not throw trans people under the bus to be “popular”. Which itself is a lie, politicians that stand for trans rights are more popular to most people.
Well I never said that populism necessarily led to desirable outcomes. I said that progressives keep the pretense of being a popular movement when it really isn’t. It’s a technocratic movement, but admitting that is political suicide so it keeps the veneer of populism. But the working class can see that they are not welcome in the movement because they are “uneducated, bigots, racists etc” as soon as they disagree with a single point in the agenda so who are you really appealing to by saying you are of the people for the people? Probably yourselves because no one else buys it.
Naww, the working class is down with LGBT, it’s the ruling class that tries to force the view by buying millions of dollars worth of ads and astroturfing by homophobic Russia. Most people are a live and let live type but Republicans in power need a boogie man. As you can see from them going after gay marriage when they thought they killed off trans support.
I think the working class is down with LGBT until the Ts are in the same teams as their girls and in the same bathrooms their wives but ok, if you believe that fine.
I mean, I’m a man with a dick, stubble and XY chromosomes, and I’m forced to be in the women’s changing rooms and bathrooms because of the laws that conservatives passed, but alright I guess.
Everything about my body says “male”, all the way down to my chromosomes, but that doesn’t matter in the eyes of these laws because I used to have a vagina.
I guess you’re in favor of that, though?
Absolutely not. Did I say I thought thought that trans people should be excluded from bathrooms? Or did I say that the working class doesn’t like when trans people use their bathrooms?
When you say “we should do what the working class wants” and “the working class doesn’t want trans people to use bathrooms” it’s easy to extrapolate that you mean “we shouldn’t let trans people use bathrooms”.
Ah good point. I can see that now. Well no I don’t hold that view.
To explain myself I’m very critical of current progressive “orthodoxy” because it tries to pass itself as populist when it is in fact technocratic. The end result is that it looks like a very dishonest movement. My view is that the progressive movement needs to come to terms with the fact that it is technocratic, and that it cannot ever be populist if it retains its current ideology. This also means it won’t win elections in the near future.
On the other hand if it wants to win elections it needs to become more of a socialist workers movement but that will mean compromise in the trans right movement because the vast majority of transphobic people are of the working class.
Sounds like you’re a conservative with bias against trans people and not a “enlightened centrists”.
And you got that from me making an observation about how other people feel about T people in society? Cool but inaccurate.
I guess I could be perceived as centrist because I’m not entirely on board with any of the agendas or ideologies but I’m sure most conservatives would consider me a progressive. Realist progressive feels like the term but I don’t think that means what I think it means.
What are you not on board with on both sides?
I would have to write a book to explain that.
This is issue is one example. Another is that I think capitalism is not the root of all evil, but rather that it is necessary to create the conditions for socialism. We need to blunt it with regulations and through public funding of essential things like health and education. I reject the communist and anarchistic notion of a stateless society because it’s simply not a possible thing.
I obviously believe that socialism is a desirable end goal for society so that already puts me at odds with most of the right. I agree that abortion is murder after 8 weeks because it is a human life at that point, but I do not think that life itself is valuable but that rather the quality of life is the most valuable thing, so abortion should be legal because I can’t imagine a worst life than that of a kid who is not loved by their mother. I don’t believe in making any substances illegal, because eliminating the supply when there’s demand only creates issues, so every drug should be legal, manufactured professionally, and taxed to hell to pay for anti drug advertising and rehab programs.
That’s a quick overview of the big issues we’re im not completely on board with either side. There’s many more but man I’ve written a lot today.