• Fredselfish@lemmy.world
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    No he a fucking coward that help setup the police state we are under. Remember it was under Obama that he bailed out the banks, Snowden came out and told us that our own government was spying on us. What Obama do about that but go after Snowden for treason. And last deported more people then Trump. So he no fucking people hero.

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      This is revisionist nonsense fueled by anger. Dubya did all the NSA stuff WITH bipartisan support in Congress that led to the Snowden leaks. Susan Rice was the one that went apeshit on Snowden, and of course a rational sitting President needs to show solidarity in that with their national security heads. Obama actually assigned a panel to investigate solutions to the stuff that the NSA was doing, but yes, he did say he was a traitor.

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        of course a rational sitting President needs to show solidarity in that with their national security heads.

        He didn’t need to do anything. He willingly went along with it.

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      Yeah, I wasn’t trying to argue he’s a hero, just attempting to interpret the event and his choice to make these comments at an event with no recording

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      more than that, Obama had enough of a public mandate, he could have rolled back everything Bush did. The Afghanistan invasion, the extraordinary rendition, the “enhanced interrogation”, the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act. He could have ended all of those.

      He could have had a historic presidency, could have redefined what the United States was going to be in the 21st century. Instead, he let the previous administration decide it for him.

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        he could have rolled back everything Bush did. The Afghanistan invasion, the extraordinary rendition, the “enhanced interrogation”, the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act. He could have ended all of those.

        • The USA was already heavily bogged down in Afghanistan when Obama took office. He could not have simple pulled out. Look at all the shit Biden took when he did after involvement had already been scaled back.

        • Obama did end torture at Guantanamo.

        • American Presidents don’t have the power to repeal laws.

        Obama wasn’t perfect—not even great. But, those are weird things to lay on him.

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          They renewed the PATRIOT act while Obama was in office.

          “Bogged down” is an excuse. The military is a logistics machine. If it takes longer to pull out, then it takes longer, fine. But “bogged down” is the kind of half-asses face saving language you trot out when you don’t actually want to leave, but don’t want to look like you gung-ho for staying.

          Obama wasn’t perfect—not even great. But, those are weird things to lay on him.

          yeah, yeah, fuck me for remembering what he campaigned on, right?

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        Yeah his whole hope and change was a lie. Never did like him and damn sure didn’t vote for him. I just knew from the beginning he was full of shit. Even his Obama care was a Republican plan he pushed on us. Especially when he removed the public option.