And they did cheat. They cut millions from voter rolls. They spent more time questioning whether signatures on mail-in voters were valid. They did more gerrymandering. They, in general, did their damnedest to make it harder for people vote. They used disinformation campaigns and foreign actors to influence social media. The thing about it is, they do a lot more of it out in the open than people want to admit. Just like how they weren’t hiding Project 2025. Why would they suddenly have the ability to be so tight lipped about just this issue?
Because all the things you mentioned are par for the course and easily digestible by common folks. Actual “cheating” at the polls would do a lot more damage to the country than just Trump being caught being a felon again.
They said that about finding out that Bush signed off on torture. Surprise, the evidence changed nothing. The country slumped on, unbothered by war crimes.
Did the Snowden leaks change anything about the surveillance state? No.
What makes you think this would be any different?
To be clear, I’m not trying to be defeatist, I’m trying to be realistic. As far back as the Snowden leaks philosopher Slajov Žižek wrote about this phenomenon and he, even back then, was convinced that in the modern era, with so much information bombarding us, that evidence no longer mattered. He used the Bush torture leaks and the Snowden leaks as his evidence. I’m certainly not the first person to have noticed this pattern in the modern internet era.
The problem is is that Trump cheating is more than plausible. You’re right that real evidence is absolutely required.
And they did cheat. They cut millions from voter rolls. They spent more time questioning whether signatures on mail-in voters were valid. They did more gerrymandering. They, in general, did their damnedest to make it harder for people vote. They used disinformation campaigns and foreign actors to influence social media. The thing about it is, they do a lot more of it out in the open than people want to admit. Just like how they weren’t hiding Project 2025. Why would they suddenly have the ability to be so tight lipped about just this issue?
Because all the things you mentioned are par for the course and easily digestible by common folks. Actual “cheating” at the polls would do a lot more damage to the country than just Trump being caught being a felon again.
They said that about finding out that Bush signed off on torture. Surprise, the evidence changed nothing. The country slumped on, unbothered by war crimes.
Did the Snowden leaks change anything about the surveillance state? No.
What makes you think this would be any different?
To be clear, I’m not trying to be defeatist, I’m trying to be realistic. As far back as the Snowden leaks philosopher Slajov Žižek wrote about this phenomenon and he, even back then, was convinced that in the modern era, with so much information bombarding us, that evidence no longer mattered. He used the Bush torture leaks and the Snowden leaks as his evidence. I’m certainly not the first person to have noticed this pattern in the modern internet era.
No you make good points. I suppose I’m a bit delusional when it comes to still having a sliver of belief in people and systems.