Europe has done more for Ukraine than the US has. Under Biden, there were endless delays and shortfalls, largely caused by the Republicans in Congress, and Trump has done even worse, since he very evidently wants to hand over Ukraine to his master Putin, despite all the fake huffing and puffing.
The same thing they’ve been doing. The U.S. isn’t supporting Ukraine nearly as much as people make it out to be. All we did was spend money on U.S. contracts, and send mostly old munitions. The majority of all the aid ever going anywhere was blocke/halted. Of $180b that was supposed to be sent beteen 2022-2024, $100 billion still has not arrived. Trump supported Russia from the start, and legislature held off everything they could waiting for him. And a large amount of the population apparently wanted Russia to expand as well.
Europe has a strong interest in keeping Russia from taking over Ukraine. Ukraine will only be the first European country to fall if Putin takes over Ukraine. There is a reason that Poland and others have been building up their military. Yes, the purported deal being reported “only” involves a surrender of land and not a complete takeover, but anyone with half a brain knows that there is no way that such a deal will satisfy Russia. It would be only a short-term “peace” to allow Russia to regroup to take another run at it. There is no way Ukraine would agree to this “deal” because it would only worsen their position. Better to fight without the U.S. than to roll over to allow Russia to regroup and strengthen.
There’s a reason why Russia evaded Ukraine, because decisions like this.
Transnistria in Moldova is a Russian outpost since the 90’s,
Chechnya didn’t have any backlash when tried to breakup from russia instead cities got flattened.
Russia tried to invade Georgia, after failing Russia only got a slat on the wrist.
When russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 no one done any pressure instead more oil and gas traded giving more money to Russia.
Since the 90s Europe has been seen weak without the help of USA, and Russia can do whatever they want.
If Ukraine fall in Russia hands then Moldova is next, and others will folow
I think it’s less that Europe was weak, more that Merkel, in particular, thought that rational relations with increased trade would bring mutual prosperity and end the need for war, much like the EU did.
However, she forgot that she’s not dealing with Russia as a nation, she’s dealing with Putin as an egomaniac with delusional of grandeur.
Europe could still invade Russia and demolish them, but they would risk ww3 and nuke being used from Russia. They would easily win, but at what cost. Currently, Ukraine is a proxy war where Europe gets to give some support and keep Russia at bay without sacrificing quality of life, or political problems like job losses or inflation.
Even then, there is anti immigration sentiment in part due to war refugees. People don’t think Ukrainian should go home or aren’t valid refugees. They worry about rising homelessness of their nationals while refugees get housed.
Europe would be better in the long run to cut off Russian oil and gas, even if there are political and economic consequences. However, they won’t, due to the political consequences and all politics is local.
Once US support dries up, what choice will there be? Europe already proven itself uncapable of sustaining Ukraine
Europe has done more for Ukraine than the US has. Under Biden, there were endless delays and shortfalls, largely caused by the Republicans in Congress, and Trump has done even worse, since he very evidently wants to hand over Ukraine to his master Putin, despite all the fake huffing and puffing.
The same thing they’ve been doing. The U.S. isn’t supporting Ukraine nearly as much as people make it out to be. All we did was spend money on U.S. contracts, and send mostly old munitions. The majority of all the aid ever going anywhere was blocke/halted. Of $180b that was supposed to be sent beteen 2022-2024, $100 billion still has not arrived. Trump supported Russia from the start, and legislature held off everything they could waiting for him. And a large amount of the population apparently wanted Russia to expand as well.
Europe has a strong interest in keeping Russia from taking over Ukraine. Ukraine will only be the first European country to fall if Putin takes over Ukraine. There is a reason that Poland and others have been building up their military. Yes, the purported deal being reported “only” involves a surrender of land and not a complete takeover, but anyone with half a brain knows that there is no way that such a deal will satisfy Russia. It would be only a short-term “peace” to allow Russia to regroup to take another run at it. There is no way Ukraine would agree to this “deal” because it would only worsen their position. Better to fight without the U.S. than to roll over to allow Russia to regroup and strengthen.
Chamberlain was out of his depth but meant well. This is more like it:
There’s a reason why Russia evaded Ukraine, because decisions like this.
Transnistria in Moldova is a Russian outpost since the 90’s,
Chechnya didn’t have any backlash when tried to breakup from russia instead cities got flattened.
Russia tried to invade Georgia, after failing Russia only got a slat on the wrist.
When russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 no one done any pressure instead more oil and gas traded giving more money to Russia.
Since the 90s Europe has been seen weak without the help of USA, and Russia can do whatever they want.
If Ukraine fall in Russia hands then Moldova is next, and others will folow
I think it’s less that Europe was weak, more that Merkel, in particular, thought that rational relations with increased trade would bring mutual prosperity and end the need for war, much like the EU did.
However, she forgot that she’s not dealing with Russia as a nation, she’s dealing with Putin as an egomaniac with delusional of grandeur.
Europe could still invade Russia and demolish them, but they would risk ww3 and nuke being used from Russia. They would easily win, but at what cost. Currently, Ukraine is a proxy war where Europe gets to give some support and keep Russia at bay without sacrificing quality of life, or political problems like job losses or inflation.
Even then, there is anti immigration sentiment in part due to war refugees. People don’t think Ukrainian should go home or aren’t valid refugees. They worry about rising homelessness of their nationals while refugees get housed.
Europe would be better in the long run to cut off Russian oil and gas, even if there are political and economic consequences. However, they won’t, due to the political consequences and all politics is local.
i don’t disagree and can’t wait to see Crimea returned to Ukraine. just don’t see it happening even with unlimited US support.
US Support dried up a long while ago.
There is a lot variation but it comes through that Europe is the biggest supporter now.
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/publications/news/ukraine-support-tracker-europe-clearly-overtakes-us-with-total-commitments-now-twice-as-large/