The article is clanker slop. It’s mostly reiterative, a clear sign of clanker slop. Clankers are reiterative in their slop. A lot of clanker slop is reiterative.
That’s an excellent point, and you’re right to push back on this. Let me make an honest evaluation of the situation.
Not all reiterative spamlike garbage is clanker slop. Some of it is deliberately written to prioritize SEO over respecting the reader or producing anything of quality. Either way thanks for giving me the heads-up not to give them any of my time.
AKA some of it is meatslop
I’d say we had more meatslop two years ago than we have clankerslop today, though the clankers are gaining share…
That’s where the clankers learned it.
It felt repetitive to me too lol. I thought it scrolled back up to the top of something.
motherfuckers acting like those laptops aren’t five hundred bajillion dollars
Who would have thought a more expensive, more premium product would have a hard time finding customers during a time when people are struggling to pay bills and cant even afford the non-existent dollar menu at mcdonalds anymore.
Just want to say, I bought a framework 13 and it’s fantastic. Been running arch off of it for two years and it’s been a workhorse.
It was expensive comparable to a similar specced PC at the time but I make enough to vote with my wallet so that’s what I did. I think anyone who has the money but doesn’t, simply because there’s a better deal that’s worse for the environment and the makers of the item, while holding a right to repair or anti-corporate mindset are hypocritical at best.
The world gets better if we make it that way, and I see buying a framework (if you have the extra money) as a small step in a better direction.
If I were god king of (USA/Europe/Asia…the Universe), I would subsidize repairable laptops. It would save resources in the long run, for both humanity and the planet.
I haven’t needed to buy a laptop since the company existed. If I did they’d be a strong contender
I have but I didn’t consider them because retailers don’t carry them and I’m not buying a laptop I’ve never tried typing on to make sure the keyboard isn’t ass.
I own a 13" AMD version, the keyboard is very good.
I’ve heard all sorts of bad advice on various keyboards/hardware from other people. I don’t trust anyone’s judgement but my own when it comes to that.
The trouble with other people’s recs is taste. What you think is an awesome keyboard I might hate and vice versa, your right you really need to test drive it urself to decide. Otherwise it’s like buying a car you have never sat in sight unseen and praying it’s as good as people tell you.
Yeah. I get the feeling most people are willing to settle for a lower standard or are looking for different things in a product than I am, if they’re even critical of the things they buy at all. It explains how enshittification has been so successful.
Framework’s keyboard is widely considered to be one of the best laptop keyboards available on the market, based on loads of reviews and personal opinions shared online (and my own experience).
Probably not relevant right now, but in the worst case, if you got one and hated it, they have a 30-day return policy.
I have bought and returned 2 framework laptops. They are repairable but they are also questionable build quality.
The screen on the Framework 12 is very subpar and the size and weight throw it out of being a light laptop.
Despite saying how good Linux support was running NixOS on the replacement Framwork 13 was not great either. Wireless drops and countless reports of drops on their forums with zero responses or workarounds. Most people buy replacement wireless adapters cause the one Framework ships just doesn’t work.
On top of that the laptop just feel cheap with a steep price. I have hope for the new Pro, but we’ll have to see if it’s any good because so far I am pretty dissapointed with Framework.
I would love to have a Framework laptop. Those things are awesome as hell.
Unfortunately, my very old laptop that I’ve torn down and repaired over a dozen times is still kicking. And spending $100 to fix it is cheaper than spending a gazillion dollars on a new Framework.
Honestly, why would I spend thousands on a framework, when I can spend 3x less or more, with a used thinkpad, that is already fairly repairable?
If I was rich, sure, I’d buy a framework in a heartbeat, but am not rich, yet . . . . . . .
This proves that making a product twice as expensive actually does decrease sales significantly if you aren’t Apple.
This may seem weird but I dislike the aspect ratio of their screens.
I have a desktop with 16:9 monitors and a laptop with 16:10.
Those are close enough that your workflow doesn’t really change. But 2:3 is different enough it makes a difference.
That and for what they are they’re crazy expensive. So I went for a Slimbook (kinda the Spanish version of Tuxedo). They’re not perfect but I found them “good enough”.
TLDR: Fuck “AI”
I was in the market for a 14’’ work laptop and I so DESPERATELY wanted to buy a Framework but I couldn’t thanks to a combination of all the AI bullshit driving up memory prices, Framework still being on the Series 1 Intel Ultra chips, and their global availability not quite being there (this bit is understandable for a relatively new company). I ended up buying a base 14’’ MacBook Pro M5 even though I wanted to stay on Linux simply because it was the only thing with good perf, crazy good battery, and good build quality that was priced semi-reasonably even though it’s on the opposite end of the repairability spectrum.
Even now a comparable Framework (Intel Ultra X7 358H, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD) costs ~$150 more than what I paid for my Mac, assuming I can even get it shipped to where I am, and the regional pricing/taxes doesn’t push the price higher. Kinda crazy because it’s on the more reasonable side of things if memory serves. Dell XPS costs even more.
I hope this memory crisis gets sorted because I never thought I’d see the day that Apple became the budget option. Maybe I’ll sell my Mac and get a Framework then because as much as I love using the Mac, I still hate being at Apple’s mercy if anything breaks or if I need an upgrade.
I hope this memory crisis gets sorted
https://dam.stanford.edu/memory-prices.html
Looks like pretty normal market fluctuation. Not a crisis.
Quite normal, yes. Especially the prices for DDR4 and DDR5, the most commonly used RAM types in consumer laptops/desktops
I don’t know how old “abc” is, but it’s particularly painful for those of us who remember $100 going from getting us a 32Kb RAM pack, to 1Mb, to 64Mb, to 256Mb, to 1Gb, to 16Gb, and then just fucking stop for ten years, and now going back to no longer being able to even get us 16Gb any more. It’s like stuff stopped getting better a decade ago, and everything is being made worse by the greed of rich arseholes
Methodology note. $/GB is the cheapest listed retail price in nominal USD — not contract, average, inflation-adjusted, or a confirmed sale price.
It’s likely worse than the graph shows because this isn’t average sale price.
I can’t think of a single system I’ve built where I even considered the cheapest RAM options.
Yeah market fluctuation regularly explains prices more than quintupling while supply vaporizes overnight. The fuck are you smoking?
In late December of 2023 when there was a glut of RAM on the market, I purchased 24 64G ECC DDR5 sticks for $188 each. I split them between two production servers I was building for a cluster. In early 2025 I was setting a third and they had rose to $318 each.
I checked last night and found the price for new was $2,700 a stick.How is this a fluctuation?
Logarithmic scales are notorious for hiding spikes.
Lmk when they’re corebooted.
Otherwise I’ll stick with system76 or starlabs.
The idea of repairable notebooks sound good, except it’s done by getting filtered through the tech bro lens. Still an ultrabook, the ports must be interchangeable modules to amaze the investors/users.
They value a laptop that excels at providing value for money, a compact design, battery life, and brand familiarity.
Value for money on what timescale? Most seem to only think about the price vs the functionality a few days after purchase. Longer term, the ability to upgrade and repair components instead of pitching the whole thing would be higher value for money, but that’s not how most consumers think.
A compact design is nice, but not the be-all-end-all if Framework can get in a reasonable size/weight range.
Battery life is an oxymoron here… the main issue I have with laptop battery life is after a few years of use it dwindles, eventually to zero. When the battery isn’t replaceable, or is a proprietary form factor which costs nearly as much as a new laptop - that results in horrible battery life and value for money performance, but does generate new unit sales for non-repairable laptops.
