More video and eyewitness info on Al Jazeera so far

Also reported on Common Dreams and Middle East Eye.

I haven’t found any reports of any independent investigations yet, hopefully they are underway

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    5 months ago

    So your argument is essentially that the Jews are to blame for terrorist actions against them and the terrorists themselves should not be held accountable because the Jews won’t allow it…

    I’m not sure if you personally are an antisemite but the people telling you this nonsense clearly are and I think you should start considering how these arguments come across to people who aren’t antisemites.

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      5 months ago

      No, I’m saying Israel is to blame for the Palestinians inability to do anything about Hamas.

      If you want Hamas gone, stop treating Palestinians like terrorists.

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        5 months ago

        I’m not the one treating Palestinians like terrorists, you are. You are the one claiming they support terrorism against Israel because Israel forced them into it.

        That’s nonsense and you don’t believe that.

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          I’m not saying that at all. I’m saying they are incapable of dealing with Hamas on their own because Israel does not allow them the supplies and support they need to be able to deal with them.

          If Israel lifted the blockade and allowed the Palestinian Authority to act on their own, as an independent government, Hamas would be gone.

          Israel will never do that, because they see all Palestinians as the enemy.

          https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/24/israel-gaza-world-leaders-un-genocide-palestinians

          “Israel’s former chief military advocate general and the country’s former attorney general no less, who declared that to destroy Hamas “then you have to destroy Gaza, because everything in Gaza, almost every building there, is a stronghold of Hamas”.”

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            5 months ago

            …Gaza has had 15 years to try and Mount an offensive against Hamas.

            Israel is attacked with a bombing essentially weekly over the last near 2 decades. Where are the supplies for those coming from?

            Is Qatar possibly the answer?

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              Gaza has been blockaded by Israel since 2005.

              Did you even BOTHER reading the links?

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip

              "Israel blockaded the Gaza Strip at various levels of intensity in 2005–2006, with Israeli imposed closures having a history going back to 1991.[7][8][9][10][11] In 2007, after Hamas seized control of the Gaza Strip, Israel imposed an indefinite blockade of Gaza that is ongoing to present day, on the grounds that Fatah and Palestinian Authority forces had fled the Strip and were no longer able to provide security on the Palestinian side.[12] "

              Here’s another good one:

              https://www.oxfam.org/en/timeline-humanitarian-impact-gaza-blockade

              “Less than 16% of items needed to construct vital water infrastructure are reaching Gaza”

              You: “bUt why Don’T theY dO sOMetHiNg ABout HAMaS?”

              They can’t. They literally can’t, and the reason they can’t is Israel’s blockade.

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                5 months ago

                Why aren’t their supplies coming in through the same route as the weapons?

                If the terrorists are getting their needs met while the people aren’t, isn’t that the fault of Hamas?

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                  No, because the terrorists have their own supply chain. If the civilians utilized it, Israel would go “See! They’re all Hamas!”

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                    5 months ago

                    So the terrorists are Hamas, who are also the elected government of Palestine.

                    So if you are stating that Hamas in.fact does have trade routes established with their neighbors, you have to concede that Israel is not fully to blame here.

                    Sadly? I don’t think you are willing to let yourself be capable of admitting that.