SUMMARY

  • The EU has identified WhatsApp as a gatekeeper in the messaging industry and has given it a few months to enable interoperability with other apps.
  • The EU’s Digital Markets Act aims to promote fair competition and give consumers more options for alternative services.
  • WhatsApp has already begun working on interoperability with other apps, potentially allowing smaller players like Signal to compete more fairly.
  • PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de
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    1 year ago

    Cool so I can decide to use Signal for privacy reasons and if the other party uses WhatsApp all my chats with them are read by Meta? What is the point?

    • ExLisper@linux.community
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      1 year ago

      No, it’s still E2EE. Meta can’t read it as far as anyone knows. Meta will know that the other person has you in their contacts (they already know this) and that they are messaging you, that’s it.

      • PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de
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        1 year ago

        Meta writes the software that runs on the other end, and it’s closed source. Therefore for all we know, the message is end-to-end encrypted, and the moment it is decrypted on the other end Meta can send it back to their servers or use it for advertising. Unless the client at the end is open source and audited, E2E doesn’t mean much imo

          • bug@lemmy.one
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            1 year ago

            No I think you’ve missed their point. E2EE is end-to-end encryption, as in the message can’t be intercepted in the middle but it’s unencrypted at the end so you can read it. Because the WhatsApp app is closed-source you don’t know that it doesn’t immediately read the message and send the content to Facebook. It probably doesn’t, but it could! E2EE itself means that some third party can’t read your message in transit, though to be fair closed-source again means we just have to trust Facebook when they say WhatsApp uses E2EE.

            • SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org
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              1 year ago

              So, this isn’t quite as valid a fear as you seem to think. There will be a lot of very smart people analyzing the shit out of what the app appears to be sending to Facebook servers. True it’s closed source but that doesn’t mean it’s impossible to catch them doing fucked up shit. How do you think we currently know about things they do like this? Do you think Facebook told security experts just to be nice? Or do you think the experts figured this shit out on their own?

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                  1 year ago

                  Oh I agree they’ll do every bad thing they can get away with. I just think they wouldn’t get away with decrypting the message and sending it straight to FB

            • ExLisper@linux.community
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              1 year ago

              I did get their point and what I’m saying is that back doors like this are discussed all the time and as of now, there’s no proof that they exist. To the contrary, we have information confirming that content of E2E encrypted messages is not available to government agencies. Claiming otherwise without proof is simply spreading disinformation.

              • PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de
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                1 year ago

                If somebody hands me a black box, tells me what’s inside, how is the burden of proof on me? I have to trust them blindly until somebody proves that there is something bad in the black box? No, I ask for a transparent box in the first place.

                • ExLisper@linux.community
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                  1 year ago

                  WhatsApp being a black box means we don’t know how it’s doing things but we can still know a lot about what it’s doing and what it’s not doing. For example we know it has permissions to access all the contacts and we know when it’s accessing device location data. We also know from FBI documents that they can’t access content of E2EE messages or how much data it’s transmitting and when. It would be hard for Meta to transmit all received messages to their servers without anyone noticing. It’s good you prefer OSS but it doesn’t mean you can make wild claims about some security flaws like that.

      • archchan@lemmy.ml
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        1 year ago

        That’s not it. It’s E2EE but Meta gathers all the metadata from Whatsapp including who you contact, when, where, how large the messages are, what times you’re online and for how long, phone numbers, names etc. That’s plenty of info to create a profile on users and their connections with each other, as is Facebook’s MO.

        • ExLisper@linux.community
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          1 year ago

          That’s exactly what I said. They will have meta data but will not be able to read chats. What are you disagreeing with?

    • Fushuan [he/him]@lemm.ee
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      1 year ago

      What is the point?

      The point is that you are not using Whatsapp to talk to them. Which is inherently an improvement since they only get one sided metadata.

    • smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de
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      1 year ago

      The point is that people can switch their apps one by one, not losing any contacts in the way, instead of trying to convience all your friends to install new app at once.

    • Gamey@feddit.rocks
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      1 year ago

      Whatsapp encrypts top and it’s your choice to write with someone on Whatsapp… 🤦