• electric_nan@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    Do you genuinely think that people are being petulant or petty or something because they strongly object to their leadership supporting an ongoing genocide? Like this is some unreasonable “pet issue” or something?

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      2 months ago

      Yes, because they are. Let’s break it down.

      • The only factual result of the system we can vote in has the outcome of two parties.
      • GOP is getting people in swing states kicked off the rolls
      • Ranked choice hasn’t hit all states yet

      Ergo: anyone who doesn’t vote for Harris is a vote for Trump. Like it or not.

      It is a dipole. You vote for fascism and some old bitch trying to save his own ass in a clear run towards dictatorship, OR YOU VOTE AGAINST THAT.

      Jill Stein and RFK Jr are wasted votes. That’s the fucking facts. Get with reality.

      And if your sole vote is about Gaza, GUESS WHAT? Everyone else is waiting in line to sell weapons to Israel. You won’t solve that issue by voting for fascist bullshit in the US as a revenge vote.

      So yeah…I’d call that fucking petulant if you’re willing to vote for fascism because you don’t get your fucking way. Kick and scream and do whatever you want. It’s not going the way you want in either case, so don’t take the extra step to “stick it to the man” by helping vote Trump in.

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        2 months ago

        Vote for the best candidate & participate in active protest for your ideals on the issues the winner doesn’t support.

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        anyone who doesn’t vote for Harris is a vote for Trump. Like it or not.

        Following this logic: anyone who does not vote for Trump votes for Harris.

        So a vote for third party is a vote for Harris?

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          No.

          It’s saying if you don’t vote for the best chance to stop the threat to democracy (Trump) then you are, on some level, ok with what Trump will do.

          Same applies the other way. If you think she’s horrible for some reason but don’t vote for Trump (the candidate with the best chance to beat her), then you’re willing to accept her agenda.

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        Is supporting a genocide fascist? If I were trying to differentiate myself from a fascist opponent, I might simply stop supporting the genocide. Would you go to war if drafted? If you don’t go, someone else will. That person might shoot children in the stomach, whereas you would more compassionately aim for the head.

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          I literally ran down a thread a few days ago asking for comment attackers to justify dropping Israel as an ally. Nobody came at me with a viable plan aside from “Uhhhh, just stop”.

          That’s not how it works.

          Please feel free to enlighten us on your solution though.

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            Nobody came at me with a viable plan

            Is that the one where one side of the argument kept ignoring anything other than mindless unconditional support for genocide and only genocide and kept dropping little one-word dismissals like “next” and “BYE”?

            Because the thread got nuked and I’m wondering if I have you confused for a different condescending genocide apologist. There are so many of them on lemmy.

            Please feel free to enlighten us on your solution though.

            Condition or cease weapons sales.