• sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    A vote isn’t an endorsement, you are not personally responsible for the actions of the people you vote for

    I dont agree. When soneone says they will do something terrible and you vote for them anyway, you have enabled it and have some of that outcome on your hands.

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      2 days ago

      Then you commit to never voting. If you vote for Bernie people will say “oh he endorsed joe biden, he is complicit” but you don’t get to choose the battlefield only the outcome of the battle.

      Fundamentally a percentage of politicians will lie, or lack resources to fulfil promises. There is simply nobody on earth that can uphold the promise of never doing something terrible, even on accident.

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        I reject the idea that war crimes are always the only choice we have in any election. But if thats your slant, OK, why not push for a third option-- getting Harris to stop the shipments by applying voter pressure on her. The only time politicians care about what the elctorate thinks at all is right before a close election, like right now. Why are so many dems not pushing her to take a better stand than she has had?

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          I actually think stopping shipments is not going to achieve anything. Polling shows its popular (so I disagree that dems aren’t pushing Kamala, Biden, etc) but if Israel just changes arms suppliers its easily undermined. And we don’t even know if like there’s conditions on shipments like “we won’t use nuclear weapons on Gaza if the shipments continue” There’s just too much we don’t know to vote based solely on another country’s actions.

          I think a better policy is to just take in gazan refugees and make it harder for hardline israelis to visit the US. Do the pullout from vietnam movie script. Of course this is a less popular policy and it is one dems likely aren’t getting pressure to do, even though its low risk and high preservation of human life.