To protect the US from rockets from… Canada?

The housing crisis is an issue of democracy, not the federal government. Fixing it would get them voted out in a heartbeat, because the only fix is to drop existing house prices by around 80-90% and 65% of the population lives in a house they or their family own. Homeowners are also far more likely to vote.

The health care system strain is an issue of resources, there’s an unlimited possibility to spend money here to do more. The government has to balance available money with an acceptable level of care. Again if you asked voters for an extra $1000 each a year to boost healthcare, you’d likely get voted out.

Indigenous rights, same problem. You can’t give the land back entirely, the citizens wouldn’t allow it. What will citizens allow, and indigenous people accept that will resolve the situation? Probably nothing. So they balance what they can, and neither party is exactly happy.

Public transportation is a provincial, or even a municipal issue, not a federal one. It’s also not a popular issue with voters, because again the demographics of voters is heavily tilted towards car owners.

We’ve tried things for the opioid epidemic, other places have tried things for the opioid epidemic, nobody in the world has found a solution yet. Even countries with harsh drug laws like Japan are seeing massive drug use deaths, almost 100k people a year right now. So how is it OUR government that’s failing?

The system of government we have follows what people want, and people don’t always want what they say when there’s a cost associated with it. It’s all well and good to say “I want this fixed” but if you put the real price tag on it, people are rarely willing to pay that cost. It costs more than the annual family income to jail someone for a year for example. Lots of people are tough on crime, until they realize it takes all the taxes for their entire block to pay for one inmate.

I’m trying to figure out which of the three religions fighting over that area you’re talking about. There are three from that region, all three religions committed genocides, and all three have enslaved women.

Remember, Jerusalem is a holy location for Christianity, Judaism, AND Islam. It’s been fought over for literally thousands of years.

From Wikipedia: Throughout its long history, Jerusalem has been destroyed at least twice, besieged 23 times, captured and recaptured 44 times, and attacked 52 times.

The crusades were two hundred years of Christianity attacking Islam in the region, and Islam attacking Christianity right back.

Oh look, propaganda with no reputable source.

The most useful thing individuals can do to change or enact specific policy is to get involved in party politics, because the party platforms are decided internally and either becoming a party delegate, or working to garner votes from delegates for particular policies actually works.

Wrong? No, not really. As I said, all of the “wrong” things I’m aware of aren’t in their control at all, and blaming the federal government for them is just stupid.

Too coherent for trump

Straw men?

You’re the one dodging everything. You won’t even admit children are people.

It’s false that children exist and are people? Barb is one person, Jane and her three kids are four persons. You are effectively saying that children don’t matter by removing their right to vote.

Barb only has a direct interest in the short term (her remaining lifespan) and we’ve already seen many political policies designed only to benefit older people voted in despite them being harmful to the youth. This is exactly the same problem we see with companies pushing hard for quarterly profits but fucking their long term profitability, just on a slightly longer timescale.

As for your assertation that anything big has to wait until the child is old enough to consent? That is not how it works at all.

Parents give consent to conduct extreme medical interventions all the time, from Chemo to Amputation, they can also consent on behalf of their child for other unnecessary bodily interventions like Circumcision, Tattoos, and Piercings. Parent’s take legal action on behalf of their children for all sorts of matters. Parents even get to just pack them up and move them to a different country if they want to.

Proxy voting doesn’t work at scale? Yes it does. Proxy voting is literally how the US government operates. You vote for a local politician, who then votes on bills on your behalf. This is not a direct democracy, it’s a republic which is a form of proxy at a massive scale.

Is there something wrong with higher birth rates? Are people not allowed to choose to have children? Are those children not citizens?

None of your arguments explain why Children shouldn’t get a vote.

If their parents take care of them, and their needs matter, then why don’t the parents get the vote for them?

We give parents the proxy for children’s rights all the time, why is voting different?

As was in the original argument, why does Jane with 3 kids (4 people) and Barb childless (1 person) have the same input on how the government is funding schools, or how healthcare is being distributed, or even on things like environmental regulation. All three of those things will directly impact the children now and in the future.

You’re right, it’s the most fundamental right in democracy, so why are we denying it to them?

“They’re children” isn’t actually a reason. By not giving them a vote, you’re essentially telling them that their needs don’t matter.

Wait, you think Israel is the aggressor?

You’re aware that the UN voted to create Israel from the rubble of the Ottoman empire, and 5 neighboring countries disagreed and violently invaded them literally the day after they declared independence right?

Some of those same countries (and others now) are still supporting the Palestinians with money and weapons to continue to attack Israel.

You must not have scrolled down far enough, there’s one that’s been going on for 20+ years in Sudan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_civil_war_(2023–present)

The forcibly separated kids one isn’t even listed there, because China has done everything it can to scrub it from public knowledge, it’s linked to an older one in there though. The Uyghurs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China

I’m happy to argue the merits here, the same as I did in the Vance thread. I haven’t changed my mind on it.

Currently your country (and mine) have disenfranchised a massive group of citizens, anyone under 18.

You seem to think this is right. Why is it okay to disenfranchise any citizen in a democracy?

Hitler disenfranchised an entire group of people, and that was clearly a bad policy.

Trump likes McDonalds, I like McDonalds, that doesn’t make me a Trump supporter either. So why do you think that I’m a Vance supporter for agreeing with him on one thing?

Yes it does.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides

You could demand your government quit funding what they’re doing themselves kills people too… but I don’t see you doing that.

Did you demand they stop funding attacks after the half million middle eastern civilians were killed by allied forces during the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq?

Do you demand they stop funding Ukraine because it’s now invading Russia? The government is even thinking of now approving even more use of US military aid and technologies to hit further into Russia.

Yes it does.

It’s why the US killed a half million middle eastern people after 9/11

It’s why people are praising Ukraine for invading Russia back

It’s why nobody cries about all the dead Nazi’s

Retaliation is very frequently justified, even when the level of killing amounts to hundreds of thousands or even millions of people.

It’s right there in every single history book you’ve ever read, over and over and over and over.

When was the last time you posted about the other genocides going on? Do you even know which ones I’m talking about?

Or are you just following the social context around the Israel-Palestine conflict and ignoring the fact that there are multiple other major genocides occurring right now? One of them has had a few hundred thousand kids forcibly separated from their parents and sent to special boarding schools, the other is at almost a half million deaths, both dwarfing the scale of the Israeli-Palestine conflict by almost an order of magnitude.

How about them? Where’s the university protests? Where’s the demands for divestment? You haven’t even made a single comment or post about any of them from what I can see.

Nah, this one is the fad genocide to be all upset about right now.

I think you may have got your order muddled up.

“supported JD Vance”

“I understood how a single statement he made might make sense”

These two things are the same to you?

Even Hitler had a few good policies, and I sure as hell don’t support him.