My my, the display of privilege and ignorance. Especially predictable from an ML domain.

Leninists 100% unironically do. Though I’m sure they’ll try to convince you that it’s not a genocide somehow. Despite supporting it.

Ole Winnie Xi Poo got his fee fees hurt. It was always that or they were terrified of people protesting and not knowing who to jail or kill because of the masks.

Funny that you hypocritically whine about strawman when you start out with one. It is your MO though.

Understanding “where they are”, doesn’t make their actions any more logical or less self-harming. And implying that someone who calls their actions illogical and self-harming doesn’t know where they are coming from. Well if that’s your best argument, and it is. It’s pretty laughable.

The logical thing to do then. Well as logical as that situation gets, is just to not vote. Punishing one politician by voting for another that’s worse on every policy. Sends mixed to no message at all. And is just irrational self injuring flailing. But humans are very skilled at being irrational.

Yep, if someone is into spanking. More power to them. But sexually harassing others by projecting your sexual fetishes on to them. That’s not acceptable.

If Tucker really wants to be cuckolded that way. He has the money to pay for it and better venues with willing partners to find it in. That isn’t American public politics.

Of course not. I literally complimented you on being genuine. And warned you about the hypocrisy of pointing out the same for other groups on that instance. Judging from your reaction something about one or both of those offended you.

Sure Stalin slaughtered tens of thousands of ethnic polish and helped WWII Germany take Poland. That’s on the older side of things. Putin has slaughtered nearly 10M Ukrainians last I saw. Lots of ML, perhaps and hopefully not you, defend Putin in this. Xi and the vanguard party in China are similarly imprisoning and slaughtering any that do not conform to their prescribed monoculture. Which again far too many Marxist leninists support. Though hopefully not you hopefully you’re being genuine. But from your responses so far I do question that.

What, not being a hypocrite? If you criticize one. You should criticize the other. I agree the US and Harris shouldn’t support and enable genocide. Neither should ML. Nothing about it is really clever. But if you think it is I think that says more about you than anyone else.

Rare to see someone on an ML domain speak out against Stalin and more modern genociders like Xi. I’m with ya, but you should know, your instances admins like to ban for such things. Be careful.

The fascists won’t go away when trump does. They were there long before trump. Plotting a Hitler style fascist overthrow of FDRin the 1930s even as Hitler stomped around Europe. Before trump was even born. And many of those implicated suffered no personal repercussions after being outed. The son and grandson of one going on to become modern Republican war starting presidents.

That is just trolling with home court advantage. They put out the honeypot and get to argue on their home turf for the most part

That’s a REAL stretch. I’m not saying they aren’t fucking annoying. They’re really, FUCKING, annoying. But being annoying doesn’t imply trolling. I’ve met people who’s basic speaking tones and patterns annoyed me. But it was less something they did intentionally and more a malfunction of who they were. And in this case, despite monk making a spectacle of themselves. People sought them out far more than monk intruded elsewhere.

I won’t miss them. But some of the behavior has definitely been obsessive and bullying towards them. Regardless of their actions or what you think of them personally. Maybe you like that fact. Maybe you don’t. For me personally though it feels like pretty shitty behavior all around and no one to really root for. When I stopped engaging with them. I stopped having issues with them. They didn’t follow. Didn’t harass others the way they were harassed. That’s not justifying or defending their behavior. Whatever lessons they learned they learned the wrong fucking thing. There’s no question about that.

That’s just it though. In a weird sort of way they don’t tend to initiate it. Look at it closer. Try to find an instance of them commenting on a post to community that wasn’t their own. Or did not mention them in some way. It’s oddly rare as f***.

If their whole intent was to feed off metallic replies. Why would they create and moderate many many different communities to which they post some of the same s*** and get very little response? Often still getting ratioed on what little response they do get. That’s a lot of extra work for not very much troll food.

If you choose to Define them as a troll. You still have to admit they’re one of the easiest trolls in history to avoid. Which should make you question the label. The behavior is much too erratic and unpredictable for something like a simple troll. Much more indicative of something like mental illness and a bad response to being bullied

I already came to that conclusion with you two posts ago. If you actually care. Perhaps you should go back and look at what you said. The tone with which you said it. And try to understand. You get what you give. And to be clear I don’t say this with a patronizing tone. It’s something I have to absolutely have to watch myself on as well.

Absolutely. I have no love for monk. I’ve left communities they were involved with. Generally downvote them on sight. But a lot of the people screaming “troll” the loudest. Are easily as guilty of such behavior as the accused. I don’t see Monk going to others threads regularly seeking attention that way. I generally only see them post on their own posts, or replies to posts they got. And when they post to the politics community for instance. Things that generally would be popular with most there. Downvoted to oblivion and that’s that.

Only after you define a patronizing. And explain why you’ve chosen to ignore what was said. I literally said it’s taken on trollish tone recently. But I don’t believe it’s their actual MO. To be clear I’m not arguing that they should not be banned or trying to defend them. I honestly think there’s much more to suggest mental illness going on there than gleeful trolling. But I see that it’s wildly important for you personally to only see them definitely as a troll. Despite the fact that being undaunted and a bit spammy is the biggest accusation that you have. I honestly am getting much more trollish vibe from you than I have ever gotten from monk all the times I disagreed with them and pointed it out. Which to be clear I’ve largely stopped engaging with them at this point because of the uselessness.

That’s a much more recent turn. Not that long ago they were asking why they were getting such negative engagement. I think they decided to cling to ideology and take the negativity as an affirmation of their position. Make no mistake, I’m not asking for them not to be banned or anything. I have 100% left community that they’ve been apart of. And will not lament their absence. I don’t think it’s clear trolling.

Just because it can be, doesn’t mean it is. It’s absolutely taken on more trollish overtones of late. They weren’t always this way. If you want to go dumpster diving, months ago there were moments and posts of introspection.

It’s not healthy behavior regardless. But I can understand it. I don’t tolerate Leninist/tankie hypocrisy, and feel pretty self righteous calling them out on it. Viewing their silent down votes as affirmation. It would be easy to behave similarly to them. Pestering etc. Hell I have done it in the past. And if I was a person prone to the magical thinking of dogma and ideology I probably still would be. But I value my time, logic, and reason much more. And enjoy it much more to engage with someone, that even if we don’t agree in the end. We don’t talk past each other. But focus on actually having a fruitful discussion.

They’re just misunderstood

It’s certainly not genuine good faith engagement. But yeah not obvious “trolling” no matter how dismissive and off putting their responses can be. They have some sort of personal need for engagement. And way too much free time to pursue it in. Two things combined with unwillingness to understand or acknowledge the arguments other people make. That come off so toxic.

A few things. Communism isn’t Marxist leninism. Communism isn’t authoritarian. And it’s not just Stalin and Mao. It’s literally everywhere Marxist leninism has ever been attempted. Communism is a classless stateless society. Therefore a Marxist leninist government will never become communist. Because they are defined by their class separation of those with political power and those without, and the strong overbearing presence of the state.

There’s nothing objectionable to Communism whatsoever. And no one should have any qualms about defending it ever. What we should question is why one group of authoritarians the Marxist leninist desire to be so closely tied to it. And another group of authoritarians the capitalists demand everyone be afraid of it.