I’m not arguing about it lol my entire point has been calling out this shit study, that’s just feeding people who are antigun a “gun owners are stupid because of lead”…

Hell most of my comments have been about washing your hands after the range. It’s just good hygiene anyways.

O yea if you’re shooting mil surplus, that shit is nasty nasty. Yourhands are getting dirty from handling the rounds more than anything though. I’ve shot for hours and don’t get powder that makes my hands dirty. It’s from loading steel cased shit into my mags or crappy 22lr ammo into my mags.

Unless you’re shooting some expensive shit, most ammo in bulk has that manufacturers machine film on it from not being cleaned after it’s been manufactured. Those facilities aren’t exactly clean lol

I’m in a rural area as well, and I rarely go into the major city, so I know what you mean.

Yea if you like dairy it’s a huge help. Same with some nice greens with loads of iron.

Getting more exposure from one place doesn’t make getting less exposure from another not an issue worth investigating. Both things can be problems at the same time, especially when dealing with a substance for which the healthiest amount of exposure is zero. Lead anywhere is worth investigation and study.

And I haven’t said anywhere to not study this further, but to do a study like this is pointless, as it’s terribly done.

I’m not about to give up shooting over it, but if I can easily make it safer for little effort then I see no reason not to.

Which should be normal, as I said elsewhere, you should be washing your hands anyways after shooting. It’s just good hygiene in general.

And I don’t read anywhere in any of this that gun owners are being painted as idiots, it just seems like you’re upset that people are taking a thing seriously that you don’t personally take seriously.

You should read the rest of this thread then. It’s a bunch of people suggesting it. That what these shitty studies do, re-enforce anti-2a groups biases that gun owners are idiots…this just adds to it.

And I agree. I would love to see data on lead on clothing at ranges and lead exposure for military recruits. That would be extremely valuable!

That’s where the data needs to come from. It’d be perfect for a study like this. Everyone is on basically the same economic level, they usually shoot around the same amounts, they live in the same areas as well.

So you’re removing a ton of stuff that this study and the others failed to account for.

I get more lead exposure from being outside in a city during a dusty day. On top of that, you can literally reduce your bodies ability to absorb lead by eating healthy foods with calcium or rich in iron.

https://www.canr.msu.edu/resources/fight_lead_with_nutrition

Cleaning sure, and as I stated elsewhere most rounds are jacketed with copper and a lead core, the only lead you’re being exposed to is from the primer, which is around 40% lead derivatives and a massive amount of that is blasted out the muzzle, you’re not breathing in much more if much more than natural back ground amounts of lead that’s already in the soil around us.

Cleaning the firearm? Sure, but you shouldn’t be cleaning it and then grabbing a sandwich without cleaning your hands anyways.

That’s not lead though, that’s usually brass or in your case x39 that’s steel cased(love my mini30 and sks). The rounds are always jacketed in either copper or something else with a lead core. Hell even most 22lr these days is copper coated or wax coated.

Sure not 100% but it’s going to be 99.99% of it. There is very little material in a primer in the first, and of that material only 40% of it is lead based. You’re going to get more lead exposure from handling fishing weights made from lead than gas exposure of vapor from a primer.

Literally first link is the link that is under discussion here. It has no data about lead levels, and is what I pointed out.

Second link, your own quoted bit of it says “may be”

Third link,

Models were adjusted for percent of a population employed in construction, agriculture, forestry, fishing, hunting, and mining, income distribution, and potential lead paint exposure, which were found to be the primary predictors of elevated pediatric blood lead levels.

And

Firearm use and ownership remains one of the least researched areas in the public health sphere. While the risks of childhood lead exposure are widely understood, including the mechanisms of firearm-related lead exposure and tracking, to date no research has extensively examined it in children and on the community level. Our findings indicate a dire need for continued research on the risks associated with firearm use, ownership, and lead exposure.

Which follows into the 4th study, that is just a repeat of the 3rd link…

Starts off with:

Lead exposure is a significant public health concern and children are at the greatest risk given their exposure to take-home lead. Firearm-related take-home lead exposure may be one of the greatest influences on elevated pediatric blood lead levels.

Again may be…why? Because it’s very difficult to correlate the two, because…as the study states:

Pediatric blood lead levels were positively correlated with licensure, poverty, and certain occupations and negatively correlated with lead in water and police or firefighter employment.

Most people who live or work in clean environments and have money usually are not firearm owners. Aka a large portion of firearm owners are not rich. So they have occupations that are more likely to be around lead exposure, and they’re more likely to live in older parts of a city or area that has more lead exposure via the soil like I pointed out.

I suggest you read your own links before you call out my reading comprehension. None of these links actively provide evidence that firearms are a major source of lead exposure…as I stated above, they should be looking at the military more than someone shooting for a whooping 30mins a month.

More research is required to substantiate this relationship on the individual-level and into prevention/mitigation.

I agree study link number 4…

The fuck are you shooting, that you’re hands are soiled after a few dozen rounds?

I can shoot for hours and not have anything on my hands.

Sounds like you’re shooting muzzle loaded pistols or some really shit ammo.

Every one of those has a “may” in there. Sure do the research, but right now these studies have show 0 evidence that it’s actually a significant problem. They literally read like “people who shoot guns are idiots”. Just look at how people are responding in this thread. I’d like to see the study actually go and test clothing and how much lead is aerosolized with each common type of primer/caliber and from someone shooting more than 30mins.

“Most reported shooting monthly or less (94%) but for ≥30 minutes (91%); 32% primarily shot indoors.”

https://www.umass.edu/agriculture-food-environment/soil-plant-nutrient-testing-laboratory/fact-sheets/soil-lead-fact-sheet

Lead in soil is a much bigger issue in cities from years and years of leaded fuels/leaded paints.

They’re blasted out the barrel, that shit is not going back at your face in any meaningful amount. That would be the worse design ever if hot gases came back into the face of the operator. The only real danger about aerosolized lead is if you’re running a suppressor and in an indoor range with shit ventilation, and those are usually shut down pretty quickly. The fire Marshal will shut that shit down in a heartbeat if the ventilation is shit (unspent gunpowder is stupid flammable).

I’m older but I’ve been shooting since I was around the same age. This whole thing about lead poisoning is just dumb, most ammunition is wax covered if it’s bare lead (22lr) or it’s copper jacketed. The amount of lead you’re handling is miniscule and everyone I shoot with and have ever shot with, we wash our hands before we eat. It’s not rocket science, most people who aren’t gross wash their hands before they consume food even if they’re just at a desk job.

This study is junk science anyways. They literally just conducted a survey, which is just dumb for this type of study. How about go measure actually how much lead is deposited on clothing or gear, it’s probably not even registrable.

If they wanted real data, they should go to the military and get data. Most people who shoot, do it once or twice a month at best (shits not cheap for most people) and most of the time they’re doing it for an hour or two at most.

People living in older cities are going to be getting more exposure from leaded soil than someone going to a range once a month.

Nothing burger meant to paint gun owners as idiots.

Here’s an idea, why don’t you leave you nazi fuck.

Most of the people who get phished, are not educated enough to avoid it. They don’t want to be, because computers are just supposed to work and not be something they need to learn.

If you’re educated and ask questions vs just assuming everything is legit and giving away everything they ask for then you realize quickly that phishing is not as convincing as you’re making it out to be.

The problem is that if they’re getting phished with TOTPs then they’ll walk through a scammer over the phone to let them access their accounts other ways.

You can put all the security in place all you want but 99% of breaches aren’t coming from red team actors “hacking” into a system. It’s way easier (and even moreso now with LLMs able to do robo calls with human sounding voices) and get Brian from accounting to give up his shit…or even the CEO to give up his.

I’ve seen it all, they willfully will give over their access because they’re dumb as fuck.

Fair enough, I just feel like the tankies here are home grown morons lol

Naa those aren’t bots though, that’s literally tankies doing that shit.

Look at the little tankie brigade down voting anything that they don’t like when you call them out in a instance they don’t control lol

You tankies don’t need to be called bots, you do that shit all on your own. The fediverse and Lemmy is way to small for russia to give a shit about it. You guys spew tankie shit for free for them.

The fediverse is a drop in the bucket was my point. They don’t need to since the devs of Lemmy are tankies already. So no need to waste resources (bots) on Lemmy when western tankies are doing it for free.

They’re focusing on YT/Facebook/Twitter/Reddit sized platforms.

I’m not saying we’re not a decent size but in the grand scheme of things we’re a drop in the ocean.