a specific timeline

If by that you mean, prehistory’s Q-anon scraping together vague gestures towards barely discernable timelines and a massive knob polishing for the people of Israel, then yah.

“After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years…”

From this they decided that this was a “key” for translating the other vague messages that deal with timelines. It was entirely assembled and patched together in the imagination of men who needed hobbies.

This is a weird vulnerability in the human condition that our minds developed faster than our actual innate sense of reason and logic. We are the same species we were 5000 years ago, and the same species we were 100,000 years ago, just with more fancy tools around us. Still searching for meaning in abstraction, still trying to find some personal validation in a cold, uncaring and basically random universe.

They WANT the world to be wiped out in Armageddon, they don’t actually believe in death, they think if nukes turn the world to ash and cinders that Jesus will come save them and it will be fulfilling prophecy. They want maximum damage and they want the whole world to burn. And I’m not even exaggerating.

A lot of people really don’t get this, that evangelical christianity is a fucking death cult, this is why they’ve wanted Israel to literally blow up the entire middle east and spark WW3 for decades now, because to them it would mean prophecy is being fulfilled. And these people work in the highest levels of our government right now.

I grew up in a family of Christian apocalypse preppers, they wanted Israel to take control of Palestine and the entire middle east for their entire lives until they drank themselves to death.

And we gave them the keys to everything.

No, it gave a bunch of feverish hallucinatory bullshit that was so vague across thousands of years that it could mean anything.

Source: I grew up with christian apocalypse preppers.

I’ve had connections to people who did that kind of work also, they tell a lot of stories about people who have their passports or other vital documentation or cash savings confiscated on arriving and then they’re not allowed to leave and forced to work long, dangerous hours or not get paid or fed. These are often people from poor families or with little means to get out on their own.

They actually have a lot of airplanes.

I’m also pretty sure they (Dubai or Qatar) have more than ONE airplane.

They have basically an entire caste system of lower-class migrant workers or indentured servants of a sorts populating large swaths of the region, all the people who actually run the cities and manage the services and clean the streets and bathrooms and unload the grocery trucks, and they’re the only ones who can’t afford private flights out of the cities, so guess who’s going to die when the missiles rain down.

It sure as shit ain’t going to be Saudi princes.

They have a lot more guys, no company keeps all of its data centralized anymore, the really important shit is distributed across a spectrum of secure, hidden or reinforced bunkers around the world. There is big money in converting old war-time nuclear shelters and silos into secure data centers for companies to store part of their data on.

This is a repulsive comment thread all around.

The reason the comment you reply to is ironic/funny and yours isn’t is because Hillary clinton herself hasn’t been mentioned a literal million times in the actual epstein files.

And also, she isn’t president and isn’t actually starting wars to cover for whatever her involvement is or is not. She isn’t really an actual factor in anything.

They know, they don’t care.

The current DNC is operating on two principles:

1. It’s still 1995, and Israel is America’s lil’ darling colonizer startup that most moderate Americans are happy with. Yay for white middle-east, go 'get 'em you wacky apocalypse-prophecy fulfillers. Go go magic old-money.

2. They have the same donors as the GOP and serve the same masters.

how does one approach this topic without inviting an argument?

My advice is pretty broad and doesn’t regard for the vast, vast spectrum of potential circumstances and potential conversations that arise from our various relationships. So I can’t possibly account for everything. But I am speaking most broadly to situations when you may know someone in an interpersonal level who is open and vocal about their support for this administration and what’s happening right now. Maybe a coworker or family member or friend of a friend.

Just not someone you’re already having open arguments with IE: not someone you will feel emotional or heated talking to.

If you’re already having stressful fights with someone about politics, the chances of reaching them with questioning radically diminishes and sometimes you gotta cut your losses and move on if you can’t make headway. This is particularly painful when it’s family members, but I wouldn’t torture myself to change people just because we share DNA configurations.

I also encourage this approach of questioning only if you’re actually comfortable with some mild confrontation, because it WILL invite argument. It’s entirely in your court if you let it become a 2-sided argument, otherwise, again the idea is to JUST plant a question. They can rant and rave and throw things for two hours after you ask the question, you’re not involved anymore. You can leave. You can put your headphones on and close the door. Let them rage at themselves for being questioned.

If this is the pattern you expect, then just work in that system. Question, let them rant and rave, and move on. Make your EVERY interaction a calm, collected and pointed question about what’s happening and how they feel about it. Then let it sit there. You’re not trying to argue or you’re going to get distracted. They are very good at distracting you by saying things you’re going to feel outrage at with whataboutism, distractions and untruths, . People are very good at pushing other people’s buttons: you’re trying to do this, but in a different way. They’re trying to make you mad so they have an excuse to blow up on you. You just want them to associate this topic (politics) with your question (Is it working? Are things great yet? Can you afford healthcare and groceries yet?"). You’re not even a factor personally, you’re just the messenger for the question.

We all need to understand that with conservatism broadly, we’re never, ever going to win an argument. Ever.

Arguments are intellectual exercises where to sides make a case to each other, two sides exchange facts and perspectives and counterpoints. Conservatives do not care about this broadly, they don’t care about anything past how they feel right now, and what they want right now. They are children. And like children, they can only be trained over time with repeated reinforcement and associative teaching. Reward them when they say something good, give them compliments to engage them and take their guards down (they REALLY want your acceptance but will never admit it) and then pivot and attack the one, single idea they can handle at a time, (again, how are things better for them, how is their life better, etc.) and don’t get distracted.

What all this does is it creates imaginary arguments in their head. They will have shower-arguments with you in their heads all the time, trying to figure out what they can say to you to prove they’re right… and they’re really, really bad at your game, so they will come to you with some jackass dumbassery and you will calmly look them in the eye and ask the previous question again, forcing them to start over. Do this enough and you will train them to question their own ideas.

I feel strongly that one reason a lot of people don’t bother to actually grab sources, is because somewhere inside we know the reality is even worse than our knowledge.

Anyway, thank you, those are great and I appreciate the support on this message, we really can start the pendulum push the other direction, and this is the fulcrum that gets us there.

I challenge Lemmy users and everyone else, everywhere else I post, to please, please open up conversation with your maga uncle or neo-liberal parents.

Do not be dumb and try to start an argument, don’t accuse, don’t talk about identity or race or gender or any other issue they’re already distracted with. Just ask if they think this is going to lower their groceries costs, their medical care, ask if they wanted a war with a country they can’t point to on a map (don’t say that) when they supported this administration, and if that’s going to guarantee their social security and investments. Ask if it’s “great again” yet.

Just ask. Just make them work the question and answer out in their head, that’s your ONLY job, just plant the seed of asking how to connect these ideas, it doesn’t even matter if they get mad at you for asking, your job is to make them figure out ways to make this work in their head.

Individually, you can’t usually reach these people, but if enough of us do this all at once, we can start looking at it sociologically, like fluids, like percentages. We can still turn this around broadly, and Trump starting a war his own political-capital base doesn’t want is how we get there so we can actually use this.

In a week every MAGA is going to be screaming how Iranian Feminists want to capture your kids and trans them at the antifa headquarters, so we have to eradicate Iran and everyone else Israel doesn’t like. we have to stop buying into hopeslop pandering headlines.

This is the message that needs to get spammed on every liberal and conservative forum, twitter thread, facebook group and subreddit.

We can’t stop trying to associate in their minds the pain and suffering they’re feeling right now, in this moment, with Trump and Israel.

Yah that doesn’t work anymore.

*The Corporate, Financial and Evangelical Donors that Own Them All

This is just setting up for Israel’s expansion plans, they’re very open about what they want to do and what land they want to claim. Iran is powerful but doesn’t stand a chance against US and Israel combined, even if the US only commits air power.

US gets to spend trillions on a no-boots* war to enrich investors and donors and distract from Epstein, Israel gets to send its army in for more protracted, house-to-house murder sessions now that it’s nearly done with wiping Gaza off the map. That’s all they want, huge, hateful, Crusades 2.0 and US evangelicals want Israel to start World War 3 so Jeeeesus comes back, and that’s not even a joke or exageration for the most part.

Israel will probably feel emboldened by their success in manipulating America and decide they can control Iran’s dissidents and set up their own puppet ruler after they carpet bomb the cities to dust.

* just a few boots bro, I promise bro, we’ll get in and out real fast, just a few months tops, come on bro, just a couple boots. Limited operation, just support, I promise bro. Do it for a college tuition?