WTF are you talking about?

will be bound by the same limitations

It’s based on AOSP (open source). They can easily fork Android and do whatever they want. Open source means full control over software / OS.

Starting from scratch has zero benefits, and only means the experience is shitty and app ecosystem is nonexistent.

give up on internet banking…

And those apps which require hardware verification using Google APIs are available on Linux? How does this equate to “we need a Linux phone”?

The issue, as you said, is “we need an open trust platform”. The best path forward is we push for that so that Graphene and anyone else can us it.

Giving up all the open source work and app ecosystem of Android is irrelevant and only prevents 99.999℅ of people from adopting it.

Mullvad handles payment data in a much, much better way.

isn’t this just asking your age when the OS is installed? in that case can’t they just install any non-hacked distro and lie? there’s no verification, is there?

Pixel 10 isn’t made in China, and almost all apps work on Graphene just fine.

All my banking apps work fine on Graphene. AFAIK there is only a very, very short list of apps which don’t work on Graphene.

I think the bigger issue is that supporting more devices can add a ton of extra work to the dev team, which is small. That could sacrifice the integrity of the whole project.

The envelopes in the closet thing is that he could just buy a ton of them at once so he doesn’t need to walk to get them one hundred times. That would be the most efficient option. But it’s also the most boring.

Worst case scenario where Google makes it extremely difficult going forward, what is the hard part about just never rebasing onto future work from Google?

From what I’ve seen there hasn’t been significant core work on Android for a long time. It’s been mostly changing from rounded corners to square corners to rounded corners, or shoving AI into every nook and cranny.

I’d think a small dev team like Graphene could maintain their AOSP fork moving forward.

IDK, I’d think the best path forward would be to just fork Android and move on from there. That’s what Graphene OS already does. Just standardize on Graphene OS for everything and get them more devs / resources.

Would Mullvad even legally need to comply with UK laws if they don’t have a server in the UK? Maybe they could allow UK user but just not operate out of UK?

Why do banks need a hardware attestation, out of curiosity? I’d assume that banking apps are just clients so all that matters is if they have creds or not.

That amount of money is one developer full time maybe

$564,000 / year??? I’d think definitely two, maybe three.

traction with Graphene

What kind of traction? Is it missing something? Or do you just mean more developers behind it?

Personally I’d be very heppy if Graphene OS continues long into the future without those features anyway.

Where’s “you should use Graphene OS”, which you should do anyway?

I’m not even sure what incentive they would have. We already have a huge problem with citizens not voting because they think their vote won’t change anything. Is anyone going to think “I’m going to risk going to federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison for me to spend my free time filling out a ballot box which will have a 0.000001% chance of having any effect”?

Anyone who cares about freedom should install Graphene OS now.

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demands

…why not arrest them? They’re doing illegal things. Why are we still asking them to do anything?

forced to jump from the first floor to escape the blaze. He is understood to have suffered multiple broken bones

Am I missing something here?