yeah, I would love this to be true but it looks like it’s probably disinformation.

hope someone actually manages to get rid of the bots someday!

I don’t like using the word “theft” because it implies this is primarily a property rights issue, and IMO it’s much more of a labor rights and moral rights issue. This ain’t gonna be solved by just enforcing existing copyright laws when employers, publishers, social media companies, etc. can effectively force creators to waive their rights as copyright holders. (Sign away your rights to AI training or you won’t get a record deal! Sign away your rights to AI training or you won’t get any work at all!) I tend to think we should focus on bringing back sectoral bargaining (like what the Hollywood writers and actors did) and/or creating new laws that recognize inalienable moral rights for creators.

But otherwise, yes. I very much agree.

Oh, wonderful. Thank you so much for your help!

Thank you so much for explaining all of this!

Yeah, I think I will try out at least a couple distros on USBs or maybe a virtual machine. I think I still have at least one USB lying around somewhere in my closet… don’t remember if it has enough space, but maybe.

Based on those articles and your explanations, I’m certainly going to want to explore immutable and atomic at some point, although maybe not right away since it sounds like there’s more I’d need to learn. Both of those qualities sound fantastic to me. I think I’ll be fine with a little more storage use, and I highly doubt I’ll want to change anything about critical folders anytime soon. I’d like to avoid broken installations and myself accidentally doing really stupid things.

Yeah, I’ll look at the documentation available before I install any OS. Thank you!

Oh, OK. It seems very weird to not have a minimize button in elementary OS, unless the maximize button is also a minimize button. I wouldn’t want to have to close a window and reopen it every time I wanted to downsize it. I’d probably end up resizing windows manually instead of maximizing them.

Thank you so much! That makes a lot more sense.

Awesome, thanks! Do you think I’ll have to mess with the wifi card or drivers to get things like the wifi, audio, and/or webcam to work?

Thanks! What kinds of workflow differences? And do you think I’ll have to mess with the wifi card and drivers to get it to work? I’m seeing some people talking about that with other operating systems.

Yeah, I’m realizing that might be unavoidable. I’m still hoping I can get Linux Mint or Zorin working without messing around with that (one person said they didn’t have to do any of that when installing those on similar Macs, but others did - maybe this changed at some point when Mint/Zorin was updated?), but we’ll see. Not looking forward to figuring that out, but it might be worth it. Thanks!

Wonderful! Thank you so much. I will probably try one of those two first then.

Thanks! Did you have to do anything to get wifi, fans, or the webcam working on the 2015 Macbook Pros running Zorin or Mint? Some other people have mentioned having to work around that on various distros.

Oh, good! So you didn’t have to jump through a bunch of extra hoops to get things like wifi, the fan, and the webcam to work?

Another commenter showed me this documentation of what someone with a similar-to-mine Macbook Pro did to set up Linux Fedora, and I don’t really understand anything they did (yet). I’ll try to learn if needed, but it would be great if that wasn’t necessary.

Oh, OK. Very different use case!

If you’re at the level of knowing all this stuff and also running your own server, and you’re finding PopOS Cosmic to be still in its beta days, then it’s probably not for someone like me. I don’t really know what dnf vs. apt means yet (still just trying to wrap my head around what a package manager does). A lot of people keep recommending Gnome, though, so I’ll probably still try that and maybe Fedora.

Thanks for looking into this and finding that Github documentation! All of this stuff still sounds complicated to me, but I’m probably going to have to do some learning and kitting up anyway. It turns out that this computer’s battery is toast because it sat in a closet for years, and my relative never recharged it in all that time. I might as well look into a new Wi-Fi card and maybe a new SSD as well, if I’m going to be fixing this thing up with new parts anyway. Might have to wait a bit longer than I thought to get started, though. I don’t know what anything else you mentioned in this post is, but I can learn. I’ll probably try to figure out the Facetime HD drivers eventually.

Yeah, I’ll definitely want the security patches on whatever timeline. I just don’t want other kinds of updates frequently.

Zorin looks nice too! Thanks.

re using a VM - I like the idea of trying out different distros and desktop environments with less risk. It does seem like a large part of the greatness of Linux is having so many options, and it would be a shame not to experiment. Thanks for the tip!

My understanding is that Asahi Linux is designed for newer Macs with a different kind of chip from the one I plan on experimenting with. I might try it in the future if I decide I like Linux and want it on my current computer, though.

If it’s just rolling back a package once in two years, that doesn’t sound so bad. I don’t see myself downloading updates once a week, though. I’d rather have fewer updates, especially if they’re well-tested and I can set things up so they happen overnight while I’m sleeping.

I really like knowing that I won’t be stuck with whatever setup I start with. Thank you!

Oh, OK. Once in half a year sounds just fine, I don’t think I’d actually want it to be more often than that. I do like stability. Thanks!

Oh no, I was half-convinced I should start with Linux Mint based on other comments, but if the wifi and sound don’t work on a 2016 Mac, I imagine that would be true for a 2015 one too. F that. You said that was a problem out of the box - does that mean you were able to get the wifi and sound working consistently later on, after all?

I don’t want to invest in new hardware right now, but I might look into Dell next time I need new hardware if I end up liking Linux.

Interesting! Looks a lot like MacOS, maybe a slightly older and simpler version, which isn’t necessarily bad.