You have a lot of faith in voting.

So, what’s your plan now that we might not have real elections ever again?

Please don’t. I like not dealing with redditeurs.

Okay, so let’s look at the genocide in Gaza.

What could the left have done, more than they already had? There was the whole uncommitted movement of direct involvement in the primary process to make our voices heard, people demanded to speak to nominees and presented petitions and went to the media etc etc. That wasn’t fatalism, people did everything they could imagine and I don’t appreciate you shitting on them for it.

But what did the Party do in response?

They didn’t allow a single Palestinian-American to speak at the DNC!

So tell me, since you’re so good at politics and so incredibly motivated and smart, can you think of anything that they could have done to force the Democratic Party to adopt a resolution banning arms sales to Israel? Because I can’t.

Maybe that’s true!

Out of all the people that voted for Harris, how many of them do you think actually volunteered any time at all to her campaign? I’d guess it wasn’t even 0.1%.

What you’re accusing the US left of, of being armchair whiners, applies to nearly all USAmericans. People in this country believe politics is just complaining and voting every couple years, and this is true of Democrats and Republicans and Independents. The actual political engagement in the US is extremely low and it’s a serious problem.

I’ll choose to believe you, but you should realize you’re a rarity in the US. Half of us don’t even vote!

They didn’t do everything they could to stop Trump, Democrats showed there was one step further they could take: have everyone drop out and endorse a single candidate. Republicans also didn’t rig any of their primaries, and I’m pretty fucking sure Democrats did n Iowa (and as someone from Iowa I’m still mad about how they basically just sacrificed our state)

You talk a lot of shit. Did you even volunteer for Harris? Do any canvasing? Door knocking? Phonebanking? How much did you donate? My guess: you did literally nothing.

Trump was allowed to do what he did to the Republicans because he is not a threat to anyone in power. That’s a very obviously different situation than a socialist, who is very much a threat and needed to be dealt with. They are not the same.

Democrats would rather lose than work with their left. Republicans are happy to work with their right, and that’s why they win.

Besides which, elections are over. If you’re so fucking smart and active and ready to do the work then you need to seriously prepare for when elections are either canceled or so hopelessly rigged that Democrats never win again. Maybe the left could have won with a more organized electoral strategy in 2016 or 2020, but that’s in the past! Here and now, we’re staring down the barrel of the end of elections. Instead of punching left, you’re going to have to march with us or you’ll hang with us.

What the hell are you talking about?

They rat fucked Bernie out of the race in 2020 because they would rather lose than let a socialist become the nominee, and though they managed to win in 2020 because of COVID they failed to sustain that support and lost the popular vote. This was the direct result of the DNC rejecting their left portion of their base, because they’re the ones would rather critique power than take it.

And now that Trump is in he’s going to make sure Democrats never win again. Are you going to join the Republicans and try to move them to the Left? 🙄

The only means of obtaining power now is mass struggle. Your vote won’t count for shit ever again, if you’re even allowed to vote. Get with the program.

Did she? I didn’t hear about that.

And if she doesn’t mention it more than once, people interpret that as her not being serious. Telling people “It’s on the website!” is terrible campaign strategy.

Where were the price controls to control price gouging? Where were the rent controls to fight corporate landlords and their price fixing? She mentioned this stuff once back in August and then that part of her agenda got really quiet for some reason.

Yeah, Democrats look at losing millions of voters and assume it was because they were woke. Can’t wait for Democrats to start campaigning on taking my hormones away to win over conservatives!

=/

We’re fucked 🙃

She scrubbed all economic populism from her campaign in the last couple months and pivoted to campaigning with neoconservatives.

Democrats moving to the right are only going to lose more and more voters, because the only reason people vote for them is because they aren’t as far to the right as Republicans. It sure looks like moving to the right cost Harris the election, they’re destroying their only appeal.

And those voters that they lose will be looking for a new party, because they won’t let themselves be dragged to the right. So while the Democrats destroy their own party it makes perfect sense for progressives to abandon ship and reform into a new party to replace them.

This is all academic, of course. In reality we might not be able to vote ever again lol

The Democrats are divided over Israel. Something like 80 House members boycotted Netanyahu’s speech, and the Party base is overwhelmingly anti-genocide. That’s enough to get the ball rolling.

And then Harris did everything she could to reassure everyone she was exactly like Biden, completely defeating the strategy.

But I was told Latinos are too machismo for women’s rights!

Where’s the Whig Party?

They sure didn’t look like they wanted to win this election.

The Dems didn’t let a single Palestinian-American speak at the DNC this year. The tent is big enough for Cheney, not us.

Bernie tried twice, Democrats demonstrated their ability to stop that shit in its tracks. It will not work.

The only solution is for progressives to abandon the Party and start their own to replace it. The US has replaced parties before, it can be done again.

Then become one of the two parties.