More than one, for a start. The accusation is that there’s a pattern. One does not a pattern make.
More than one, for a start. The accusation is that there’s a pattern. One does not a pattern make.
Maybe in terms of visuals, but they will publish the story itself if the evidence is strong. There was the story involving the hood of a car. That one I know is real.
My skepticism here should not be interpreted as some kind of stubbornness to acknowledge the IDF are committing war crimes. They absolutely are.
But I don’t think this story is what it looks like, and I am sure Al Jazeera are embellishing a lot of content that is being published on social media.
The car hood event is a sample of one. You can’t prove a pattern of behavior of a military using human shields with that. That’s not how patterns work.
I often wish people in these situations tough it out, because of they don’t, who will make the difference? Stepping down gets you one news article and then everyone forgets.
I respect his choice though, and it’s another kind of heroic to put yourself and your family’s safety first.
Why isn’t it being reported on any other news service than Al Jazeera Arabic and Commom Dreams then? Am indictment against the IDF like this would absolutely be published in Reuters or the AP and many others.
And yet that’s the narrative, not necessarily what is actually going on. There’s a reason it’s not a story published on Reuters, or AP, or even English Al Jazeera that I can find at least. There’s plenty of criticism of Israel in all of these. No reason why they wouldn’t run a story with evidence of the IDF using human shields. They ran this story after all.
It’d be fantastic to not have the dramatic music and narrative overlay and have a translated version of the original footage and any dialogue that’s going on. We have Al Jazeera to blame for that though.
It’s not a defense - I am just expressing how hard it is to really know what’s going on. It’s a good article though, and Common Dreams despite a strong liberal bias are known for factual reporting. There’s a good chance this is real, and that really sucks.
And we can trust what’s being said you think?
You’re kidding me right? This is in Arabic for a start. I don’t speak Arabic. It looks on the face of it a vague as before otherwise. Help me out here.
Something like this could easily be a simple prisoner transfer. This is one idea.
In general, we don’t know the where, the why, or the who. Movies have worse scenes than this. Nothing is beyond fabrication. Why were they filming and who posted the video? There are myriad possibilities.
There are already many clear-cut reasons to be critical of Israel, but it should still matter what is actually fact and what is fiction, shouldn’t it?
What proves this footage is really what the article claims it to be? It’s a very specific explanation for what appears quite vague.
I just don’t want to go sharing something we cannot actually verify as true. There’s a lot of other stuff mentioned in the article a lot of which we know to be true, but that isn’t proof of this claim.
Is the royal family not the richest in the UK? Edit: Not just me wondering this I see!
Ironically, because we are too stupid a species to put willingly pit ourselves through any austerity on a large scale. No one is will accept less than they have it seems, even though the only people who would actually need to downgrade their lives are the ultra wealthy. It doesn’t make it any easier though because they hold all the power. And they use their propaganda power to tell us to change our lifestyle choices, while they flaunt their own wealth. They tell us to choose more expensive “eco-friendly” or “ethical” options most of us can’t afford, and so are encouraged to feel guilty for failing to buy. And they buy them of course, but then still drive million dollar cars and own multiple multimillion dollar mansions.
We’ve really got to find a way to stop fucking over ourselves like this. And we’ve got to do it by somehow getting the richest people and organizations of the world on board. Violent revolution has rarely worked long term, and it’s slipping further and further away as security technology gets more powerful. Nevermind drones and the inevitable rise of autonomous weapons systems. The “rabble” will never have access to these ordinances. So we’ve got to get in their heads. Trick them into doing the right thing enough to see that as the challenge to which their should commit their wealth.
I’m sorry that the only example you actually floated immediately contradicted your previous position of not driving farmers out of business.
How does supporting local farmers drive local farmers about of business?
Except there are kids whose lives and health we can save, right now, if we just start growing golden rice.
“Right now” would be mass sustained imports of Vitamin A supplements. Golden Rice still has some ways to go to be establish on existing rice farms, and then enjoy a successful growing season, even if it had been approved to proceed. If we want to “think of the children” seriously, money shouldn’t be an object and we’d be looking at multiple strategies all at once, and not relying solely on an experimental product like this.
We are talking about extremely poor people and areas here, where there is little or no infrastructure to support this as a long-term solution.
Sure, but that’s part of the problem isn’t it? Why don’t we also go in and fix that right now?
What you are suggesting requires drastic change and a lot of upfront money, and continued on-going long-term support and financial assistance.
Indeed. Don’t get me wrong, I know it’s never going to happen. Given that fact, perhaps we need cheap and nasty shortcuts like golden rice in order to help poor people save themselves with minimal outside resources. Potential patent issues aside if the gene mixes in with local rice varients, and other risks to the environment, it would be great if there was more Vitamin A available in their poverty diets. But, I can see why there is opposition to this. It makes sense, and it’s not just “ignorant” people like me who think this, clearly.
I just said what “directly” would actually look like after you said to help then directly. I didn’t endorse this approach necessarily. My point is that getting them to grow our GM crop is not “direct”.
I feel that you’re intentionally trying to one up me instead actually have a proper discussion here. Why not assume my intention here is to change my mind because together we might actually figure something out? This back and forth is all a waste of time otherwise.
My actual opinion is that we give them monetary aid conditioner on certain outcomes, and send in experienced people to support transitions to more sustainable and productive food production. The money can upgrade housing, farming and transport infrastructure, and help boost Vitamin A rich crop yields and sale prices. Also subsidize imports if Vitamin A rich foods to make up the difference if local yields are insufficient.
Expensive, hard work, job creating activities, instead of shortcuts.
Direct would be doing the farming for them, or handing over food directly. Or sending in workers to train local farmers to grid Vitamin A rich crops.
Rice is a shortcut, and sure it might “work”, but there are other potential long-term externalities at play here, that golden rice alone is insufficient to account for. It would be a plaster covering a surface wound when there is internal bleeding to worry about.
I don’t follow. What goal posts have I shifted? I don’t deny that rice is easy. My point is that it’s a shortcut that could have other negative consequences that more funding could avoid.
What about when rice prices crash and local small scale farmers go out of business?
That’s a start then. I hope you’re wrong.
I think we’re still a long way from reasonably comparing Hamas’s use of human shields and Martyrs among their own people, to this.
I do think there are likely a very significant number of IDF soldiers who are monsters who treat Palestinians as subhuman out of pure prejudice and maybe psychopathy. Because of course there are in any military, and very likely moreso in this one. But there is insufficient evidence this applies systemically more than to a very small minority, and more in the IDF than wider Israeli society of course. But they’re still not motivated by anything specific in the culture except a long history of conflict. There is no intrinsic reason for even psychopathic Jews to be prejudiced toward Palestinians on the basis of Judaism. Not so the other way around, when there is well established hatred of Jews in Islam.
This matters, and I remain sure history will remember this following what’s to come (especially if Trump wins the election).