Eich was a failure. He sat on e10s for years while Chrome continued gaining marketshare. The path to monetization is something he says he wanted to do at Mozilla but did at Brave instead.

At Brave, he started with a Gecko offshoot but couldn’t make it work and retreated to Chromium.

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The reason it works is because Mozilla staff isn’t going to offer to call any random person with a “stupid anecdote”.

EDIT: FWIW, your logic is broken: while your imagined yoasif denies the claim, that differs from what Baffalox does in reality - they say “yes, but”. Imagined yoasif just said “no.”

Wouldn’t have been critical of the form of your logic, but I mean – you said my logic was stupid. I’m not sure you understood my logic.

So we should take it seriously.

Thanks for clarifying!

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Why did Mozilla staff take it seriously enough to immediately offer to get on a call with the writer of the stupid anecdote?

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You can’t tell if this one is baseless or not?

It is going to happen to all locales, not just Japan. The Japan locale leader was just a canary in the coalmine.

Yeah, I am astroturfing. It can’t be that I actually believed Mozilla when they said that localizers were heroic.

I wonder if you will get excoriated for this opinion, since I had to respond to people in my last post with an update because people were adamant that Firefox was open source. 😼

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Plenty of OSS licenses have rules baked into them about how you can use the code, or lay out obligations for redistribution.

“Is it really open source if I have to edit the source code I was given to remove a feature I don’t like?”

I’m really not being aggressive about this position and I tried to express the ambiguity here. I think what irks me most are these things:

1. Forking Firefox means it isn’t Firefox - yes, this means that the original was OSS, but you really need to be an expert to get at all the OSS code running on your machine. I mean that it is literally not Firefox, since your fork doesn’t have permission to use the trademarked name.
2. If we think of the enabling functionality in Firefox as a virtual lock, breaking that lock is illegal under the DMCA. That seems very weird for code that is ostensibly open source.
3. The addition of the Terms to Firefox seems like an additional restriction (a la Grsecurity, as I mentioned in the post) to the existing license in Firefox. Indeed, Mozilla says that the existing license isn’t “transparent” enough for Firefox users.

Yes, the purpose of a system is what it does, but the author isn’t presenting any evidence of what it’s doing vis a vis their claim of making technical users quit FF.

The purpose of the system being what it does is Firefox being spyware - you can’t escape it if you want to use Labs features.

Love the feedback, and I while I think Firefox is open source, I do see the addition of software locks as backing away from OSS.

I also went ahead and posted a small update with some additional clarifying thoughts - I don’t think it will satisfy you, unfortunately - but it might help people understand where I am coming from.

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/firefox-labs-fx138/

Well - I don’t know about them being the same.

The new terms specifically disclaims Mozilla’s ownership of your data:

This does not give Mozilla any ownership in that content.

which limits their license to your data to processing it for usage within Firefox or Mozilla services. That is a huge difference. I don’t see how they would be able to claim - in a clickwrap agreement - that Mozilla saying that they don’t own your data somehow grants Mozilla ownership of your data.

That would be mind boggling.

My feeling on this is basically with Mozilla potentially running advertising campaigns on their own in Firefox (especially with Google funding possibly drying up), Mozilla felt that they needed to clarify their permission for access to user data.

Still, that doesn’t really explain why their initial terms were so over-broad in the first place – that is why everyone’s thinking went straight to AI as soon as they made their initial announcement. They haven’t deigned to provide us with an explanation for that - besides telling us that it was due to the CCPA.

Clearly we can’t lay all the blame on CCPA, since the rights grant is more limited today than at first introduction - a fact that they readily admit.

Yep, it is also not enabled for Linux, and your distribution might not be using a Mozilla binary anyway.

Right now, it is for new users only. Existing users are going to have to opt in at some later date.