Women who transitioned decades ago feel their safety and security has suddenly been removed
Last week’s supreme court ruling sent shock waves through the UK’s trans community.
The unanimous judgment said the legal definition of a woman in the Equality Act 2010 did not include transgender women who hold gender recognition certificates (GRCs).
That feeling was compounded when Kishwer Falkner, the chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, which is preparing new statutory guidance, said the judgment meant only biological women could use single-sex changing rooms and toilets.
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The centrism fallacy:
A: I want B to be erased.
B: I want to exist. Fuck off.
Centrist: Now now don’t be rude. Let’s find some middle ground. A wants B to stop existing and we must respect all opinions. B, do you have a compelling and reasobable counter-argument for your right to exist? Be civil.
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Except B here is the centrist position. If you actually look at political dialogue it’s more like:
A: I want B to be erased.
B: I want A to be erased.
Just look at all the guillotine-posting around here for examples.
So the binary is “trans people” versus “fascist oligarchs”?
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At what point did I say you as a centrist am saying that trans people don’t exist?
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When did I say I was talking about the definition of a woman?
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If their passport doesn’t match their appearance, would that be safe for travel in less welcoming countries? Would it allow them to travel at all, if it didn’t match their presentation? Isn’t that the whole point of a passport? There is no reason for this kind of legal ruling apart from offering a way for bigots to practice bigotry. Nobody will be safer, but trans people will be more at risk.
Someone can present anyway they want, that doesn’t change their biological sex. If some countries look at your passport and think you look like a gender that doesn’t match their biological sex, so what?
Why do you think sex is listed in passports? Do you think it is because it is important to understand the reproductive capabilities of the traveller or is it a data point that corresponds with appearance, like eye color?
I’m trying to imagine a scenario outside maybe immigration where a country a traveler visits would need to know your “biological sex” or “birth sex”.
Well I would think sex is more important to be on a passport because it is something that can’t be changed, like your birthday. So yes it is a data point, but not one related to your appearance. If you are using gender on a passport, it seems kind of pointless because you may identify one way but look like another.
But what is it for, why have sex on the passport at all? Why is it important to know the “biological sex” of a traveler? Have you been genetically scanned at a border crossing before?
Why have you birthday or place of birth on there then?
because these are the standard points of data that accurately identifies an individual: place of birth adds geography so you can look for local records, and birthdate is a “key” to separate individuals with the same name
name and dob is the standard identifier in medicine
place name is important because passports are related to geography and actual individual identity
now you answer the question
Ah go shove a pineapple up your ass. A big one.
So your middle ground is to not give passports to trans people that allows them safe passage. Literally, what passports were designed to do.
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“passports to trans people that allows them safe passage” - that’s what you wouldn’t give them. What is a passport good for if you cannot travel with it because the information it carries makes you a target in many countries?
But that is the fault of those other countries then. Maybe it would be best to have both sex and gender official documents
Passports are for traveling - that’s the hole point. They are a means of communication with the other countries and should help the holder to travel easily. If they don’t because of their design, it’s not the fault of the other countries. Passports are emmitted by our country to help us travel even ti stupid countries if needed.
That’s so unsafe, how is that a middle position?
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For literally anyone whose appearance doesn’t match their birth certificate regardless of if they are cis or trans.
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For one, it can get you thrown into a gulag by U.S. border patrol, or jailed in any of the states and countries that require one’s birth certificate to match a bathroom door sign.
For another, it’s all the evidence that bigots in positions of power need to assume someone is trans, and people who are thought to be trans face deadly levels of harassment for that alone.
US border patrol is throwing people in a gulag because they don’t present the same way as their biological sex? Huh? Isn’t that all trans people? As for the bathroom thing, well that should be based on gender, not biological sex as I already said. No one should be harassed- and those that do harass others are in the wrong
So you agree that it’s wrong, but you think it should be encouraged anyway?
Sorry I’m not following - what exactly are you referring to?
Gee, I’ve never heard of trans people being assaulted for being themselves before
Who is looking at a person’s birth certificate before deciding to assault a person? And either way, any person who assaults any other person is a piece of shit and should face the full extent of the law
They aren’t, but they feel entitled to harass or assault someone they think is trans. Hell, did you miss the story a few weeks ago where a cis female was screamed at for using the women’s bathroom? Discriminatory laws embolden this behavior
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You can fuck off to storm front whenever you want