At some point in the last decade, the
ostensiveostensible goal of automation evolved from savings us from unwanted labor to keeping us from ever doing anything.It says something important about this “revolution” that it’s starting with replacement/replication of art, not labor or manual drudgery work.
If this whole AI craze was actually about replacing labor, I honestly believe it would have started with firing and automating CEOs.
I’m not even saying that as a “eat the rich” shtick - AI is great at analyzing huge datasets and determining a conclusion from the results. It would obviously need refinement, but that would probably be the major role I could see it immediately taking over.
I’ve worked at places where the CEO being removed without a replacement would have had the company run markedly better. So replacing a CEO with just a license to stock ChatGPT would be a net benefit to probably a significant number of corporations.
Except corporations aren’t meant to make a profit, they’re meant to make the executives at the top a profit. Everything else is just a mechanism to do that.
If AI begins to replaces CEO’s then the whole fantasy of capitalistic meritocracy with the most ‘skilled’ or ‘educated’ earning their place at the top falls apart.
This will not happen unless it is forced to.
Except in fact we have just seen 2 centuries of drudgery automated. Have you seen a combine harvester?
So many machines, yet I’m working more hours than my ancestors.
And your ancestors also subsistence farmed and didn’t have all the technology you do.
Look I’m as big a critics of our modern capital-industrial system as the next person but it’s crazy to not see how technology has made people more productive and given us more wealth.
Also the idea that peasants had lore days off is sorts debunked: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/kks6tq/comment/gh4oh5c
It is however quite true that people during the industrial revolution itself were working way more hours than previously which is why the whole labor movement kicked off. We appreciate the gains of previous ancestors fighting for our labor rights.
Could things be better? Certainly. Is automation being maliciously targeted towards art and creativity at the expense of not increasing productivity and reducing drudgery? No.
it’s crazy to not see how technology has made people more productive and given us more wealth.
it’s a crying shame that the lion’s share of all that wealth is parked at the pockets of the 0.1%
Agreed
“ I’m as big a critics of our modern capital-industrial system as the next person”
Evidently
Does it? I’d imagine it just makes sense that the tech used for AI in art would be used for art.
I don’t see how it would be used for labor without a bunch of other steps.
And as also pointed out, there’s tech that, while not specifically “AI”, is used to replace labor.
as a luddite you should know that automation‘s goal never was to save us from unwanted labour. But of course this would have to be accomplished first, before your second assumption can ever come true.
I read an article (probably linked to from here) about how “Luddite” isn’t the insult many people think it is. Luddites weren’t dumb, or superstitious and needlessly afraid of technology.
The historical Luddites were knowledgeable regarding technology. They weren’t anti-technology in general, they simply didn’t trust the rich and powerful to use it in a way that genuinely benefited society as a whole. Unfortunately, capitalists did what capitalists always do - they used machines to churn out inferior goods and cut worker pay. That’s why Luddites destroyed/sabotaged machines.
After learning that, I started considering Luddite a compliment.
Cool! I‘d also see it as a compliment. That‘s why I was surprised that a fellow luddite would interpret it differently. Alas, it was just this little word that made us stumble. But yeah, the Luddites knew that machines weren‘t evil. But that they would be used to generate more profit and not to lessen their toil
Languages evolve overtime. It’s very much an insult these days.
Yeah I agree. That’s why I said it was their ostensive goal. Their actual goal has only ever been profit.
ah, now I get it. You meant ostensible goal
Edit: I also had to look it up )
Oh huh TIL. I also looked it up, and it seems like a real doozy of a word. I had no idea. Looks some some dictionaries say that the two words are interchangeable, whereas others distinguish between them, and in the latter case, I used the wrong one. Language is fun!
“‘Inflammable’ means ‘flammable’? What a country!”
Haha, what’s this from again?
It’s a classic, from way back when The Simpsons was good.
You can still build a garden by hand even if it’s commercially done with machines. It will be the same with drawing, voice acting, etc.
The problem is and has always been capitalism and the rich that abuse of it, not automation.
Not if you’re too busy between your two jobs manually training the LLM models and supervising the supposedly autonomous cars to make rent.
Holy fuck. Nobody fucking wants this shit.
Edit: The minute AI generated trash music or videos start showing up in my feed I’m buying new drives for my jellyfin server and never looking back.
…This is a live concert for thousands of people that pay to see a hologram sing and dance. Yes, of course it’s in Japan. It’s one of their major pop stars.
https://youtu.be/Nfhuj60cJjk?si=HiI_a4YNRKe8weeE
*edit: Holy hell there’s a lot of you getting butt hurt over Miku.
Well that kind of proves the actual point I was making, which wasn’t attacking “your precious”. It’s that if AI does it well, tons of people are going to lap it up. They’re asking for this.
Dude that’s fuckn Miku do you have no idea how much work goes into Vocaloids?
I played around with the vocaloid software a few years ago and that shit is fucking complicated.
It’s not just dragging a midi file in and hitting play, you have to hand sculpt every syllable and every fricative throughout the entire performance. It can take literal days when you account for all of the backing tracks and everything else.
Add in synchronizing that to a video and doing all of the mocap and digital effects compositing for that fuck that noise.
I’ve done some very basic shit with vocaloid 6, UTAU/OpenUTAU, and DeepVocal and they’re definitely something above my pay grade in terms of difficulty.
I’ve never managed to get a single song out because of tuning the voice and getting the lyrics/timing/note pitch just right. It’s fun but not for the average person who will just give up after a while, like me.
The thing I’ve found with AI tech bros is that they’re rarely interested or informed about any creative process, and instead are much more interested in typing shit into a web form that spits out some garbage that they can pretend that they created.
It’s like arguing with people over NFTs or whatever, we could get down to the technical details and the merits/flaws with the concept and current implementation, but at a certain point it’s like trying to tell a flat-earther that the world is round or an anti-vaxxer that vaccines have saved millions of lives over the last century. I really don’t want to be an ass to any of them, but after months of trying to get through to them I’m kind of over trying to talk them through it.
Yeah same experience I’ve had. As a rule of thumb they lack the understanding to even talk about what they are so hyped about. It’s sad really. When I’m ready interested in something I want go learn about it. Instead they are interested solely in how it could make them money. They don’t care whatsoever about it’s actual utility if there even is any.
The songs are still written and composed by humans, only the performance is Virtual, and even then they are mocapped. It’s more akin to vtubers rather than AI
You’re comparing a collaborative artist project with a soulless Generative Algorithm. Real people made her music, not a computer program owned by some Capitalists who are tired of real artists getting between them and their profit.
Not to mention the artists who created her, animated her, voiced her.
Boo. Boo on this.
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Fuck your AI hate, I want this and AI isn’t going away so get used to it
Whoops… Sorry if I gave you the impression that I gave a fuck what you want. Enjoy your garbage “music”.
Please direct your future responses to ChatGPT.
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Do you really not see the irony in your reply?
Such edge and angst! So adorable! Look at those tiny little fangs of yours. So cute!
This isn’t creepy at all. Nope. Not one bit.
I thought I saw an article that said that they were cracking down on this. Now they are doing it?
The large companies don’t want anyone else using it unless it’s them.
You make an AI deepfake of [Insert Celebrity Name] and they’ll make sure you know they’re crying like the babies they are by trying to sebding (a) cease and desist letter(s).
If they do it, they’ll just laugh at the profits they’re making off it.
They want to make sure you’re using their tech for it
As uncertain as I am about the technology, people already steal voices from voice actors, singers, and celebrities. At this point I’m just glad these artists gave their permission.
Butlerian jihad noises intensifies
In realistic terms, I don’t think the Butlerian Jihad would have that much of a chance. I’d bet on Skynet and it’s Judgment Day happening first.
That is, when AI truly exists. Right now, we have essentially gargantuan amounts of glorified if-else spaghetti.
If-Else spaghetti with Markov-chains!
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I wouldn’t mind if the AI integration could help augment out Waze’s celebrity voices. They don’t speak the street names and this could be one spot where it can fill in the gaps around their real voice.
I think we should make Kevin Hart sit in a recording booth until he’s said every street name in America. I prefer artisanal celebrity voices to the processed ones.
