Except for Trump letting slip that without musk and those voting machines he would have lost and during the Twitter fight between the 2 musk said Trump wouldn’t be president without him.
Circumstantial evidence is not evidence. Further, this story is about Tripp Lite, which last I checked, isn’t owned by Musk. It’s owned by Eaton. Gonna have to jump through a lot of mental hoops to connect Eaton and Musk.
Have you ever considered that they would say they were going to win even if they weren’t? That part of how fascism and fascists work is by projecting power by never admitting weakness? Saying you’re the winner, even after you’ve lost, is common for both Trump and Musk.
And they did cheat. They cut millions from voter rolls. They spent more time questioning whether signatures on mail-in voters were valid. They did more gerrymandering. They, in general, did their damnedest to make it harder for people vote. They used disinformation campaigns and foreign actors to influence social media. The thing about it is, they do a lot more of it out in the open than people want to admit. Just like how they weren’t hiding Project 2025. Why would they suddenly have the ability to be so tight lipped about just this issue?
Because all the things you mentioned are par for the course and easily digestible by common folks. Actual “cheating” at the polls would do a lot more damage to the country than just Trump being caught being a felon again.
They said that about finding out that Bush signed off on torture. Surprise, the evidence changed nothing. The country slumped on, unbothered by war crimes.
Did the Snowden leaks change anything about the surveillance state? No.
What makes you think this would be any different?
To be clear, I’m not trying to be defeatist, I’m trying to be realistic. As far back as the Snowden leaks philosopher Slajov Žižek wrote about this phenomenon and he, even back then, was convinced that in the modern era, with so much information bombarding us, that evidence no longer mattered. He used the Bush torture leaks and the Snowden leaks as his evidence. I’m certainly not the first person to have noticed this pattern in the modern internet era.
I feel like Trump is kinda the type of guy who would say shit just to stir the pot. Plus, fascist love for the public to think they are more competent than they really are, especially if it makes them seem like they are the underdog pulling one over on the establishment. Same thing works for musk.
This, they will always say they are going to win even if they’re not, they will always say they’ve won even if they haven’t.
See: Musk v. Zuckerberg. Musk acts like he won even though he’s a pudgy fat shit and never even stepped into the ring with Zuckerberg. It’s projection of power, and people are giving them power by believing it.
Musk and Trump would have said they were winning no matter what. They would have said they won no matter what. If they lost they would say the “mainstream media” lied.
Except for Trump letting slip that without musk and those voting machines he would have lost and during the Twitter fight between the 2 musk said Trump wouldn’t be president without him.
Circumstantial evidence is not evidence. Further, this story is about Tripp Lite, which last I checked, isn’t owned by Musk. It’s owned by Eaton. Gonna have to jump through a lot of mental hoops to connect Eaton and Musk.
Have you ever considered that they would say they were going to win even if they weren’t? That part of how fascism and fascists work is by projecting power by never admitting weakness? Saying you’re the winner, even after you’ve lost, is common for both Trump and Musk.
It is according to common law, and can even be used to convict.
The problem is is that Trump cheating is more than plausible. You’re right that real evidence is absolutely required.
And they did cheat. They cut millions from voter rolls. They spent more time questioning whether signatures on mail-in voters were valid. They did more gerrymandering. They, in general, did their damnedest to make it harder for people vote. They used disinformation campaigns and foreign actors to influence social media. The thing about it is, they do a lot more of it out in the open than people want to admit. Just like how they weren’t hiding Project 2025. Why would they suddenly have the ability to be so tight lipped about just this issue?
Because all the things you mentioned are par for the course and easily digestible by common folks. Actual “cheating” at the polls would do a lot more damage to the country than just Trump being caught being a felon again.
They said that about finding out that Bush signed off on torture. Surprise, the evidence changed nothing. The country slumped on, unbothered by war crimes.
Did the Snowden leaks change anything about the surveillance state? No.
What makes you think this would be any different?
To be clear, I’m not trying to be defeatist, I’m trying to be realistic. As far back as the Snowden leaks philosopher Slajov Žižek wrote about this phenomenon and he, even back then, was convinced that in the modern era, with so much information bombarding us, that evidence no longer mattered. He used the Bush torture leaks and the Snowden leaks as his evidence. I’m certainly not the first person to have noticed this pattern in the modern internet era.
No you make good points. I suppose I’m a bit delusional when it comes to still having a sliver of belief in people and systems.
Circumstantial evidence is evidence.
It’s just not enough. It can be useful for finding the actual evidence though.
Dismiss any evidence at your own risk.
I feel like Trump is kinda the type of guy who would say shit just to stir the pot. Plus, fascist love for the public to think they are more competent than they really are, especially if it makes them seem like they are the underdog pulling one over on the establishment. Same thing works for musk.
This, they will always say they are going to win even if they’re not, they will always say they’ve won even if they haven’t.
See: Musk v. Zuckerberg. Musk acts like he won even though he’s a pudgy fat shit and never even stepped into the ring with Zuckerberg. It’s projection of power, and people are giving them power by believing it.
Musk and Trump would have said they were winning no matter what. They would have said they won no matter what. If they lost they would say the “mainstream media” lied.