The NYPD is skulking through the L train demanding IDs from Black and Latino men, again with zero justified cause or explanation as to why.
The NYPD is skulking through the L train demanding IDs from Black and Latino men, again with zero justified cause or explanation as to why.
Would someone care to explain why would they not show their ID? Is it better to get detained than showing your ID, unless you have something to hide?
Anyway, in my country we are required by law to show police officers our IDs when asked.
As an individual, its probably easier to just show ID, but as a society its a bad idea to let this become the norm. Because the next step is just checkpoints.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_checkpoint#Military_use
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_checkpoint
Very authoritarian. You shouldn’t have to justify your existence, the government should be the ones with the burden to prove you did something wrong, you shouldn’t need to prove your innocence.
When assessing the degree and quality of liberty in a country, one of the factors considered in academic political science is the requirement of personal identification by law enforcement. It use to be a trope of Hollywood cinema that takes place in the Eastern Bloc (Warsaw Pact countries) that ordinary citizens and abvious tourists were routinely harassed by law enforcement for their papers, a stark reminder that here in the states you can even cross state lines without identifying yourself.
It’s getting more interesting as law enforcement is pre-emptively collecting biometric data on school kids and other vulnerable demographics.
Currently wending through state courts is the controversy of using biometric data to identify suspects, which may be regarded as an [unreasonable] search from which we (all, citizens or otherwise) are supposed to be protected, according to the fourth amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
In this specific incident, the NYPD is notoriously racist and aggressive, so this may be contempt of cop while black As the adage goes, you can beat the rap but you can’t beat the ride. This assures these young men will have a bad week regardless of their guilt of any wrongdoing.
It’s literally a fourth amendment right. I’m not cool with any of my rights being infringed upon. No one should be ok with this.
As I said, I’m not from America, I wouldn’t know your laws, that’s why I’m asking
They know they’re being racially profiled and didn’t feel like playing along and making life easier for the cops.
As others have said we are not required to provide ID unless there is a cause. Stopping 2 people without stating why means no cause and they have the right to say no and it should end with ok have a nice day, but our rights are tested more and more. Some good news is its generally an easy case for a lawyer to pickup and win meaning they could get a payout from the city. The sad news is generally nothing will be done about the cops who abuse their job and cause the tax payers more money in lawsuits that should never happen.
Are you required to always carry ID in your country?
Yep
What country do you live in?
Dumb question because we don’t know these men and we can’t answer for them. If you’re really interested, look up the case and see if there’s any news, they may have told their stories by now.
We are not. And I can describe having a spine for you, but I can’t have a spine for you.
Why do you assume I don’t have it?
Because of the bootlicking statement you made.
Cops in America are not your friend. They have no duty protect nor serve the American people. Their job is to write tickets and make arrests, to help fuel the for-profit prison system and keep the money flowing. (Empty prisons don’t generate profit.)
Their second duty is to constantly harass people of color to make them feel unwelcome in the country. It starts with approaching brown people who have committed no crime and asking for ID. The goal is to be escalate things in hopes that the person they’re harassing will fight back, that way they have an excuse to charge them with assaulting an officer or interfering with police duties.
It’s sick, twisted, and fucked up, and the worst part about is is that over a 3rd of the United States voting population supports this behavior.
Because people want to be left alone without being harassed for no reason by dirty cops looking to increase their arrest stats and get more promotions.
It’s awful not being left alone. For example, I know someone on lemmy who was viewing this sublemmy, didn’t do anything, got banned, and was so upset he actually died. The point is, people should be able to be left alone and do what they fucking want people being assholes.
I smell BS.
Didn’t do anything, but got banned? Possible, but improbable.
Got so upset by a ban on Lemmy that the person died? So close to impossible that I would call it impossible.