Bidens mental health was never the issue. Its why right wingers switched to a new attack as soon as Harris was put in and havent mentioned a single thing about trumps mental health which is arguable worse than biden ever was.
Sure, if you want to rewrite history that could be true. Everyone was fearful of Biden’s mental health because they kept him out of the public. Then, when he did the debate, he confirmed everyone’s fears. It wasn’t that long ago, how have you already forgotten?
and when they brought out a candiate without that concern it changed nothing for all the right wingers who were saying I cant vote for biden because mental health. Now bring up trumps mental health to them and they are oblivious. So I dont know how anyone can argue it was ever a valid concern to voters who choose not to vote dems.
That wasn’t Kamala’s problem. You really do have a short memory. She lost because she also wasn’t a good candidate. You can’t invalidate Biden’s issues because Kamala lost. They both had their own issues. Biden polled the worst against Trump. Kamala polled the second worst against Trump.
She lost because she had the same garbage policies of Biden. Having a border cop at the DNC tell us that Harris would be stronger at the border, The Most Lethal Military, while no Palestinian spoke, promises for policies that were so complicated and means-tested nobody expected they would benefit told the voters they’d get more of the same from.
She lost because more people wanted Trump and it was never about age or policy or leadership. Mindless people got swept up in the right wing hype because every single right winger was shouting from the roof tops about how great Trump was while lefties were attacking their candiates.
Leftists were telling their candidate what they needed to do to win. Instead of promising immediate improvements in peoples material conditions, they gave us genocide and Trump’s 2020 platform.
Was the leftist vote what lost the election? I dont think it was. So I dont think it matters what lefitst wanted or thought, they had no choice but to vote “the lesser of two evils” or shoot themself in the foot. Idc what option they choose, the vote was decided by middle ground voters who were influenced by online discourse.
The leftists are simple prescribing popular policy.
There is no such thing as a middle voter who likes “subsidies for insurance companies where you buy health insurance through 1 of 50 websites and have no idea what it will cost or what it will cover or where you can even get it” but doesnt like free healthcare.
There is no such thing as a middle voter who likes “40k towards a down-payment for first generation home-buyers who haven’t made a late payment in 5 years” who doesnt like public housing and rent control.
Triangulation was always just a pretense for the dems to push policy that is good for the donors but unpopular with the base. Your moderate republican is never going to vote for fascist-lite when the real thing is right there. They might vote for someone credibly promising to help them afford housing, college, and healthcare.
If you think Harris did as badly as Biden would have if he’d stayed till election, you’re only fooling yourself. It would have been the biggest Republican sweep since Reagan.
harris was a curveball and they couldnt compensate quickly enough, but harris misstep was tamping down her rhetoric, and now trying elicit hispanic and aa voters.
The fact that she seemed completely caught off guard for what was possibly the most obvious question definitely didn’t help. Of all questions to not prepare for…
Trumps mental health is far better than Biden. Biden was a zombie. His mental health was so bad that the DNC dropped him after he zombied out during the debate with Trump.
Biden has late stage cancer which most definitely was present when he decided to run again.
Why are Democrats still simping for the guy who lost them the election?
If you watched the Trump v Biden debate and came away thinking Trump was more intelligent in any way you’re beyond help. I’m sorry but the competency isnt even close.
yeah you’re right he would have, but thats a reflection on the voting population of america. When I watched those two Biden was clearly more intelligent, thoughtful an well spoken which is what I look for in a leader. But I guess other people just pick whoever acts more confident. As apparent by all the people judging the debate off a single out of context soundbite.
I’ve had this argument so many times so I wont be the one to bring examples. But if you truly believe what you said then you should be able to point to a single instance in the entire debate where trump answered a question better than biden. Please pick one and we can argue about it. I’m of the opinion that every single question biden answered was more coherent than any question trump answered. The only reason you would think otherwise is if you completely lose all logic and reasoning after hearing someone stutter or not speak loudly.
Biden would acknowledge the issue, cite policy he has already passed which addressed the issue and then speak about policy which he was working on to further address the issue. He did this for every single question.
But I guess he losses because trump makes a funny face and joke? Have some respect for yourself because i’d never be caught dead saying thats all it took to convince me.
He beat Medicare… My grandmother passed away of a brain tumor. As her symptoms progressed she struggled to form sentences and find the words she wanted to use. You could tell she knew what she wanted to say, but couldn’t get it out. That’s exactly what Biden looked like on that stage. You are delusional if you saw that performance and thought he was the correct candidate for the democratic party. Hell, even Biden saw that performance and decided he wasn’t the correct candidate. I’m not sure where you’re getting your narrative from, but you’re so far from the reality that everyone saw.
Trump’s performance was abysmal, as normal for Trump. Biden crashed so hard and set the bar so low that Trump was able to clear it. Someone with full faculties was able to easily dismantle Trump, as demonstrated by Kamala. Biden kept bringing the debate back to the issue of immigration. That was Trump’s largest strength in polling. That’s an awful debate tactic that a younger Biden wouldn’t have done. Hopefully there aren’t enough people like you in the DNC. I’m not looking forward to another loss in 2028 because you refuse to accept reality.
I accept reality and wouldnt run Biden/bernie/harris I’d run a decently charismatic white man in their 40s with middle of the road policy and it would win.
You are delusional if you saw that performance and thought he was the correct candidate for the democratic party.
Its not about the correct candidate for the party, that was decided a long time ago. Its about which person is the best to lead the country out of the two people on stage. Thats it. If you walked away thinking trump was the better of the two people to lead then you’re an idiot and I dont know how else to explain that to you.
Biden kept bringing the debate back to the issue of immigration. That was Trump’s largest strength in polling
No once again, you are completely wrong to what actually happened. Immigration was mentioned by Biden once as a response to a question about immigration. Every single other time was trump shoe horning immigration into his own answer.
He beat Medicare
Here is full bidens response to the question. Which is talking about increasing taxes on the wealthy to strengthen social programs.
Initial question and trumps response
TAPPER: President Trump, over the last eight years, under both of your administrations, the national debt soared to record highs. And according to a new non-partisan analysis, President Trump, your administration approved $8.4 trillion in new debt. While so far, President Biden, you’ve approved $4.3 trillion in new debt.
So former President Trump, many of the tax cuts that you signed into law are set to expire next year. You want to extend them and go even further, you say. With the U.S. facing trillion-dollar deficits and record debt, why should top earners and corporations pay even less in taxes than they do now?
TRUMP: Because the tax cuts spurred the greatest economy that we’ve ever seen just prior to COVID, and even after COVID. It was so strong that we were able to get through COVID much better than just about any other country. But we spurred – that tax spurred.
Now, when we cut the taxes – as an example, the corporate tax was cut down to 21 percent from 39 percent, plus beyond that – we took in more revenue with much less tax and companies were bringing back trillions of dollars back into our country.
The country was going like never before. And we were ready to start paying down debt. We were ready to start using the liquid gold right under our feet, the oil and gas right under our feet. We were going to have something that nobody else has had. We got hit with COVID. We did a lot to fix it. I gave him an unbelievable situation, with all of the therapeutics and all of the things that we came up with. We – we gave him something great.
Remember, more people died under his administration, even though we had largely fixed it. More people died under his administration than our administration, and we were right in the middle of it. Something which a lot of people don’t like to talk about, but he had far more people dying in his administration.
He did the mandate, which is a disaster. Mandating it. The vaccine went out. He did a mandate on the vaccine, which is the thing that people most objected to about the vaccine. And he did a very poor job, just a very poor job.
And I will tell you, not only poor there, but throughout the entire world, we’re no longer respected as a country. They don’t respect our leadership. They don’t respect the United States anymore.
We’re like a Third World nation. Between weaponization of his election, trying to go after his political opponent, all of the things he’s done, we’ve become like a Third World nation. And it’s a shame the damage he’s done to our country.
And I’d love to ask him, and will, why he allowed millions of people to come in here from prisons, jails and mental institutions to come into our country and destroy our country.
TAPPER: President Trump, we will get to immigration later in this block.
Bidens answer where he says we beat medicare instead of we beat big pharma
President Biden, I want to give you an opportunity to respond to this question about the national debt.
BIDEN: He had the largest national debt of any president four-year period, number one.
Number two, he got $2 trillion tax cut, benefited the very wealthy.
What I’m going to do is fix the taxes.
For example, we have a thousand trillionaires in America – I mean, billionaires in America. And what’s happening? They’re in a situation where they, in fact, pay 8.2 percent in taxes. If they just paid 24 percent or 25 percent, either one of those numbers, they’d raised $500 million – billion dollars, I should say, in a 10-year period.
We’d be able to right – wipe out his debt. We’d be able to help make sure that – all those things we need to do, childcare, elder care, making sure that we continue to strengthen our healthcare system, making sure that we’re able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I’ve been able to do with the COVID – excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to do with.
Look, if – we finally beat Medicare.
TAPPER: Thank you, President Biden.
trumps final response
President Trump?
TRUMP: Well, he’s right: He did beat Medicaid (ph). He beat it to death. And he’s destroying Medicare, because all of these people are coming in, they’re putting them on Medicare, they’re putting them on Social Security. They’re going to destroy Social Security.
This man is going to single-handedly destroy Social Security. These millions and millions of people coming in, they’re trying to put them on Social Security. He will wipe out Social Security. He will wipe out Medicare. So he was right in the way he finished that sentence, and it’s a shame.
What’s happened to our country in the last four years is not to be believed. Foreign countries – I’m friends with a lot of people. They cannot believe what happened to the United States of America. We’re no longer respected. They don’t like us. We give them everything they want, and they – they think we’re stupid. They think we’re very stupid people.
What we’re doing for other countries, and they do nothing for us. What this man has done is absolutely criminal.
TAPPER: Thank you, President Trump.
How is this at all convincing to you? Are you even thinking when you’re watching the debates or do you just sit there trying to see which candiate has the strongest aura. If you were to say I think he lost because the American public is stupid id agree but you’re saying YOU think he was not the best candidate on that stage based on his intelligence which makes me heavily question what you consider to be intelligent. Please consider whats making you think this way and change it.
Is there a condition of sign up on .world that you have to point out .ml users at every interaction? Seems like this overwhelming compulsion you all have.
Biden wiped the floor with that fucking orange buffoon! Just like he did in the 2020 debate. All I saw from the orange fuckwad was talking over when it wasn’t its turn to talk (no surprise the toilet can’t keep all that bullshit in the plumbing), and generally saying, as always, the dumbest fucking shit you’ve ever heard come from someone’s mouth on live television. Let’s not even mention that most of the sentences the orange shit stain let fall out of its mouth was literally incoherent in reality. Here, let me provide you with some of the “totally mentally okay, trust me bro” you are trying to argue with:
“He’s become like a Palestinian but they don’t like him because he’s a very bad Palestinian” (2024)
“On January 6th, we were respected all over the world. All over the world, we were respected” (2024)
“I gave Biden a country with no, essentially no inflation. It was perfect. It was so good” (2024)
Post Bidens whole response to that question instead of a single stutter and then show us a single example of trump providing an answer with a similar level of thought.
Bidens mental health was never the issue. Its why right wingers switched to a new attack as soon as Harris was put in and havent mentioned a single thing about trumps mental health which is arguable worse than biden ever was.
Sure, if you want to rewrite history that could be true. Everyone was fearful of Biden’s mental health because they kept him out of the public. Then, when he did the debate, he confirmed everyone’s fears. It wasn’t that long ago, how have you already forgotten?
and when they brought out a candiate without that concern it changed nothing for all the right wingers who were saying I cant vote for biden because mental health. Now bring up trumps mental health to them and they are oblivious. So I dont know how anyone can argue it was ever a valid concern to voters who choose not to vote dems.
That wasn’t Kamala’s problem. You really do have a short memory. She lost because she also wasn’t a good candidate. You can’t invalidate Biden’s issues because Kamala lost. They both had their own issues. Biden polled the worst against Trump. Kamala polled the second worst against Trump.
She lost because she had the same garbage policies of Biden. Having a border cop at the DNC tell us that Harris would be stronger at the border, The Most Lethal Military, while no Palestinian spoke, promises for policies that were so complicated and means-tested nobody expected they would benefit told the voters they’d get more of the same from.
She lost because more people wanted Trump and it was never about age or policy or leadership. Mindless people got swept up in the right wing hype because every single right winger was shouting from the roof tops about how great Trump was while lefties were attacking their candiates.
You’re projecting. Just because you think of elections as a team sport with no connection to policy, doesn’t mean everyone else does.
Leftists were telling their candidate what they needed to do to win. Instead of promising immediate improvements in peoples material conditions, they gave us genocide and Trump’s 2020 platform.
Was the leftist vote what lost the election? I dont think it was. So I dont think it matters what lefitst wanted or thought, they had no choice but to vote “the lesser of two evils” or shoot themself in the foot. Idc what option they choose, the vote was decided by middle ground voters who were influenced by online discourse.
The leftists are simple prescribing popular policy.
There is no such thing as a middle voter who likes “subsidies for insurance companies where you buy health insurance through 1 of 50 websites and have no idea what it will cost or what it will cover or where you can even get it” but doesnt like free healthcare.
There is no such thing as a middle voter who likes “40k towards a down-payment for first generation home-buyers who haven’t made a late payment in 5 years” who doesnt like public housing and rent control.
Triangulation was always just a pretense for the dems to push policy that is good for the donors but unpopular with the base. Your moderate republican is never going to vote for fascist-lite when the real thing is right there. They might vote for someone credibly promising to help them afford housing, college, and healthcare.
Source: it came to me in a dream.
If you think Harris did as badly as Biden would have if he’d stayed till election, you’re only fooling yourself. It would have been the biggest Republican sweep since Reagan.
harris was a curveball and they couldnt compensate quickly enough, but harris misstep was tamping down her rhetoric, and now trying elicit hispanic and aa voters.
Also, her interview answer about not doing anything different from the Biden administration was political malpractice of the first order.
The fact that she seemed completely caught off guard for what was possibly the most obvious question definitely didn’t help. Of all questions to not prepare for…
Trumps mental health is far better than Biden. Biden was a zombie. His mental health was so bad that the DNC dropped him after he zombied out during the debate with Trump.
Biden has late stage cancer which most definitely was present when he decided to run again.
Why are Democrats still simping for the guy who lost them the election?
If you watched the Trump v Biden debate and came away thinking Trump was more intelligent in any way you’re beyond help. I’m sorry but the competency isnt even close.
Trump’s mental state was blatantly superior to Biden that debate.
Trump did answer worse-- he’s never going to be more intelligent-- but Biden looked like a reanimated corpse ngl and he would have lost the vote hard
yeah you’re right he would have, but thats a reflection on the voting population of america. When I watched those two Biden was clearly more intelligent, thoughtful an well spoken which is what I look for in a leader. But I guess other people just pick whoever acts more confident. As apparent by all the people judging the debate off a single out of context soundbite.
Clearly more intelligent? He was struggling to form coherent sentences. Trump spewed lie after lie, but could at least form complete thoughts.
I’ve had this argument so many times so I wont be the one to bring examples. But if you truly believe what you said then you should be able to point to a single instance in the entire debate where trump answered a question better than biden. Please pick one and we can argue about it. I’m of the opinion that every single question biden answered was more coherent than any question trump answered. The only reason you would think otherwise is if you completely lose all logic and reasoning after hearing someone stutter or not speak loudly.
Biden would acknowledge the issue, cite policy he has already passed which addressed the issue and then speak about policy which he was working on to further address the issue. He did this for every single question.
But I guess he losses because trump makes a funny face and joke? Have some respect for yourself because i’d never be caught dead saying thats all it took to convince me.
He beat Medicare… My grandmother passed away of a brain tumor. As her symptoms progressed she struggled to form sentences and find the words she wanted to use. You could tell she knew what she wanted to say, but couldn’t get it out. That’s exactly what Biden looked like on that stage. You are delusional if you saw that performance and thought he was the correct candidate for the democratic party. Hell, even Biden saw that performance and decided he wasn’t the correct candidate. I’m not sure where you’re getting your narrative from, but you’re so far from the reality that everyone saw.
Trump’s performance was abysmal, as normal for Trump. Biden crashed so hard and set the bar so low that Trump was able to clear it. Someone with full faculties was able to easily dismantle Trump, as demonstrated by Kamala. Biden kept bringing the debate back to the issue of immigration. That was Trump’s largest strength in polling. That’s an awful debate tactic that a younger Biden wouldn’t have done. Hopefully there aren’t enough people like you in the DNC. I’m not looking forward to another loss in 2028 because you refuse to accept reality.
I accept reality and wouldnt run Biden/bernie/harris I’d run a decently charismatic white man in their 40s with middle of the road policy and it would win.
Its not about the correct candidate for the party, that was decided a long time ago. Its about which person is the best to lead the country out of the two people on stage. Thats it. If you walked away thinking trump was the better of the two people to lead then you’re an idiot and I dont know how else to explain that to you.
No once again, you are completely wrong to what actually happened. Immigration was mentioned by Biden once as a response to a question about immigration. Every single other time was trump shoe horning immigration into his own answer.
Here is full bidens response to the question. Which is talking about increasing taxes on the wealthy to strengthen social programs.
Initial question and trumps response
TAPPER: President Trump, over the last eight years, under both of your administrations, the national debt soared to record highs. And according to a new non-partisan analysis, President Trump, your administration approved $8.4 trillion in new debt. While so far, President Biden, you’ve approved $4.3 trillion in new debt.
So former President Trump, many of the tax cuts that you signed into law are set to expire next year. You want to extend them and go even further, you say. With the U.S. facing trillion-dollar deficits and record debt, why should top earners and corporations pay even less in taxes than they do now?
TRUMP: Because the tax cuts spurred the greatest economy that we’ve ever seen just prior to COVID, and even after COVID. It was so strong that we were able to get through COVID much better than just about any other country. But we spurred – that tax spurred.
Now, when we cut the taxes – as an example, the corporate tax was cut down to 21 percent from 39 percent, plus beyond that – we took in more revenue with much less tax and companies were bringing back trillions of dollars back into our country.
The country was going like never before. And we were ready to start paying down debt. We were ready to start using the liquid gold right under our feet, the oil and gas right under our feet. We were going to have something that nobody else has had. We got hit with COVID. We did a lot to fix it. I gave him an unbelievable situation, with all of the therapeutics and all of the things that we came up with. We – we gave him something great.
Remember, more people died under his administration, even though we had largely fixed it. More people died under his administration than our administration, and we were right in the middle of it. Something which a lot of people don’t like to talk about, but he had far more people dying in his administration.
He did the mandate, which is a disaster. Mandating it. The vaccine went out. He did a mandate on the vaccine, which is the thing that people most objected to about the vaccine. And he did a very poor job, just a very poor job.
And I will tell you, not only poor there, but throughout the entire world, we’re no longer respected as a country. They don’t respect our leadership. They don’t respect the United States anymore.
We’re like a Third World nation. Between weaponization of his election, trying to go after his political opponent, all of the things he’s done, we’ve become like a Third World nation. And it’s a shame the damage he’s done to our country.
And I’d love to ask him, and will, why he allowed millions of people to come in here from prisons, jails and mental institutions to come into our country and destroy our country.
TAPPER: President Trump, we will get to immigration later in this block.
Bidens answer where he says we beat medicare instead of we beat big pharma
President Biden, I want to give you an opportunity to respond to this question about the national debt.
BIDEN: He had the largest national debt of any president four-year period, number one.
Number two, he got $2 trillion tax cut, benefited the very wealthy.
What I’m going to do is fix the taxes.
For example, we have a thousand trillionaires in America – I mean, billionaires in America. And what’s happening? They’re in a situation where they, in fact, pay 8.2 percent in taxes. If they just paid 24 percent or 25 percent, either one of those numbers, they’d raised $500 million – billion dollars, I should say, in a 10-year period.
We’d be able to right – wipe out his debt. We’d be able to help make sure that – all those things we need to do, childcare, elder care, making sure that we continue to strengthen our healthcare system, making sure that we’re able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I’ve been able to do with the COVID – excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to do with.
Look, if – we finally beat Medicare.
TAPPER: Thank you, President Biden.
trumps final response
President Trump?
TRUMP: Well, he’s right: He did beat Medicaid (ph). He beat it to death. And he’s destroying Medicare, because all of these people are coming in, they’re putting them on Medicare, they’re putting them on Social Security. They’re going to destroy Social Security.
This man is going to single-handedly destroy Social Security. These millions and millions of people coming in, they’re trying to put them on Social Security. He will wipe out Social Security. He will wipe out Medicare. So he was right in the way he finished that sentence, and it’s a shame.
What’s happened to our country in the last four years is not to be believed. Foreign countries – I’m friends with a lot of people. They cannot believe what happened to the United States of America. We’re no longer respected. They don’t like us. We give them everything they want, and they – they think we’re stupid. They think we’re very stupid people.
What we’re doing for other countries, and they do nothing for us. What this man has done is absolutely criminal.
TAPPER: Thank you, President Trump.
How is this at all convincing to you? Are you even thinking when you’re watching the debates or do you just sit there trying to see which candiate has the strongest aura. If you were to say I think he lost because the American public is stupid id agree but you’re saying YOU think he was not the best candidate on that stage based on his intelligence which makes me heavily question what you consider to be intelligent. Please consider whats making you think this way and change it.
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Is there a condition of sign up on .world that you have to point out .ml users at every interaction? Seems like this overwhelming compulsion you all have.
Being in denial about Bidens mental capabilities in current time requires unfathomable levels of cope. Don’t worry it’s .ml who did it.
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Did you watch the Biden vs Trump debate which caused Biden to drop out?
Yes, I did. In real time too!
Biden wiped the floor with that fucking orange buffoon! Just like he did in the 2020 debate. All I saw from the orange fuckwad was talking over when it wasn’t its turn to talk (no surprise the toilet can’t keep all that bullshit in the plumbing), and generally saying, as always, the dumbest fucking shit you’ve ever heard come from someone’s mouth on live television. Let’s not even mention that most of the sentences the orange shit stain let fall out of its mouth was literally incoherent in reality. Here, let me provide you with some of the “totally mentally okay, trust me bro” you are trying to argue with:
“He’s become like a Palestinian but they don’t like him because he’s a very bad Palestinian” (2024)
“On January 6th, we were respected all over the world. All over the world, we were respected” (2024)
“I gave Biden a country with no, essentially no inflation. It was perfect. It was so good” (2024)
Or are you thinking of something else?
Can you remind me who beat medicare?
Looks like its your guy?
But, I’ll throw you a bone, anything else to prove to me that he was a straight up zombie and, somehow, the orange lard won?
Post Bidens whole response to that question instead of a single stutter and then show us a single example of trump providing an answer with a similar level of thought.