• TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
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    Who woulda thought that total ban on abortion is stealth oppression on women, huh? Even the most moderate measure to terminate pregnancy if it harms both the health of the baby and the mother is off the table for conservatives.

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      Until it impacts me or my family personally. Then it’s just an unfortunate situation that we’ll go out of state to “handle”.

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    I remember trying to research this in nursing school - specifically, [DO NOT image search this - it’s about as NSFL as it gets] intrauterine fetal deaths (IUFDs) and the resulting maternal complications/mortality… and getting really frustrated at the availability of data. After Dobbs, there just wasn’t much published, especially from red states where that data would make them look bad. What we did find was exactly what you’d expect: IUFDs became more common, and with it, maternal sepsis and death.

    We also came across some legal stats regarding prosecution of women for having a miscarriage. Our findings were that if you live in Alabama and have a uterus, you need to get the fuck out of there like yesterday.

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      in which the baby… also dies. So… yeah…

      Kill the baby, or kill the baby AND the mother? Fuck abortion bans.

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        Yeah, that was the gist of our presentation. Even taking the right wing talking points at face value “a fetus is a human with rights n’ shit!” …like, okay? The policies they’re pushing for are still destructive to their own fucking goals. Now you’ve taken two human lives and caused a whole shit ton of unnecessary suffering.

        …that was back when I thought you could show them why their own reasoning doesn’t add up and they’d change their mind. I’ve since accepted that the cruelty is the point, and they don’t actually give a fuck about the on-paper veneer they use to package their evil shit.

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    “For months, Ms. Walker had been asking for termination of her pregnancy — even though this was a wanted pregnancy — because she did not think she would survive the pregnancy. Tragically, she was right,” the lawsuit states. “An abortion at any point during her pregnancy would have saved her life.”

    Listen to women

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      Yes, but what if they think they actually deserve autonomy!?? /s

      In all seriousness, it’s horrifying to think that if she only lived in a free state vs. a Gilead state, she’d still be alive.

      Back in 2022, I had some of the Tone Police trying to shut me up on Denver Post comments when using a term like “Gilead state” by the way, claiming I was being nasty and mean and hyperbolic and hysterical or unfair to conservatives, etc. I wish it was only hyperbole; this woman likely died because of the closely held beliefs of other people in her state.

      These were some of the very same people that were bleating about how conservatives were being silenced, censored, or “cancelled” and other imagined horrors like being “shadowbanned” on social media, etc. If one of their hateful posts doesn’t go viral on Facebook or pre-Elon-Xitter, it’s because Big Tech, being so very notoriously liberal, has shadowbanned them because Silicon Valley doesn’t want cons to have free speech. The same people that think spreading Russian influence nonsense meant to sway an election to donnie’s favor is a right that they have.

      Meanwhile, Jehovah forbid anyone were to accurately point out what cons are up to. Because it’s quite true to state the cons were getting ready to monitor women traveling over state lines very early in all this: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/abortion-travel-restrictions-texas-republicans-1385437/

      Hell, “JD” “Vance” has called for monitoring of women.

      https://www.themarysue.com/am-i-ok-with-it-jd-vance-dodges-question-about-his-stance-on-women-traveling-freely-for-abortions/

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        In a Gilead state, she would have not been allowed to have sex on her own. She would have be selected to carry a man’s child. Her wanting sex would not have been allowed. The autonomy of the choice to be pregnant would have been taken away in such a reality.

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          The comparison is not trying to make the case that those states map directly onto the circumstances of the book/show. That would require other things such as widespread infertility and extreme environmental disasters.

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          You’ve never heard criticisms of women choosing the wrong men to father their children and such? It’s there, right on the edges and waiting for more of this to be normalized.

          Our society is very quick to lay blame on women for choosing the wrong men, for their children not being good enough, and for getting pregnant when they shouldn’t.

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    They’re ambivalent about her death because they are mentally deranged and one less abortion in the world is more important to them than her living.