Wasn’t Linus an actual asshole back in the day. The same as Steve Jobs and even Bill Gates. Seems to be a running trend with OS makers from the early 90’s.
In my opinion, not the same as these guys. Jobs and Gates were assholes because they got fuck you money and power, so they were assholes for being assholes’ sake. Linus was an asshole, but he usually had good reasons for acting like that, usually technical, common sense and no-nonsense driven. Sometimes I miss the time before he got therapy or whatever. It was amusing and cathartic to see him roasting some guys because he was right more often than not.
Glad we can celebrate a system that just isn’t quite there yet.
What are you talking about? I mean, if you mean Linux on the Desktop, sure, but nobody who uses Linux on the IT sector cares too much about that. Linux has won on the server arena for a long time already. E: And then there’s also the mobile and embedded market. If you think about it, desktop is the only part in tech that Linux has yet to gain ground.
Someone apparently doesn’t know how Bill Gates actually got his start or how Apple started. “Money and power.”
Bill Gates snuck into a library to learn about computers.
Apple started with a group of people in a damn garage.
“He was an asshole but he had good reason.” Apparently not good enough that Linus thought it was good enough to continue being an asshole. Pat on the back to him.
“It’s won on Server Arena.” Great? Ask enterprise companies and hospitals how secure and reasonable Linux seems for their business models.
“Mobile.” Yeah this one is a joke. Linux is far from ready for the mobile world at least for phones.
IDK about the topic of him being an asshole. I don’t follow him like, at all.
But, I might argue about the server arena part. From my understanding, (not in the field, so feel free to prove me wrong), but Azure, AWS, and others are built on Linux. Right? Just the two sites are a very massive percentage of the internet.
Mobile, again I might be wrong. Android is a fork of Linux or runs the Linux kernel. Is that right?
Yes, you are right, on all accounts. Pretty much all of cloud infrastructure is built on Linux, including Microsoft’s Azure, except when you have apps deployed there that are based or dependent on legacy (.NET Framework and older stuff) or proprietary (AAD and stuff like that) Microsoft tech, but again, those are becoming more and more the exception rather than the rule. On-prem setups tend to be more mixed between Microsoft and “other” stacks, but Microsoft hasn’t had the lead for a long time even there.
And you’re absolutely right, Android runs on the Linux kernel; although the userspace is not pure GNU, the fact that Android runs on Linux is 100% relevant to the discussion since Linus is the lead maintainer and creator of the kernel.
The OC clearly has some bone to pick with Linus, I’m outta here.
Someone apparently doesn’t know how Bill Gates actually got his start or how Apple started. “Money and power.”. Bill Gates snuck into a library to learn about computers. Apple started with a group of people in a damn garage.
How one started is irrelevant to the discussion. A lot of big companies out there had humble beginnings. It’s about what those guys turn into once they hit it big. And the thing is, Linus never really hit it big, not in the way that Jobs or Gates did, because he was always content to be the tech / architecture guy instead of moving up to more higher-level management roles, which is where the money tends to be.
For all their humble beginnings, Jobs and Gates were ruthless when they hit it big. Go read one of the biographies of Jobs - he was a notoriously difficult guy to work with, and was needlessly an asshole very often. Also remember that Apple wasn’t just Jobs; at least half of its early success is due to Wozniak, who is still beloved by everyone to this day, because on top of being a brilliant hardware and software engineer, he isn’t and wasn’t a dick.
I’ll cut some slack to Gates though - as ruthless as he was on his days as CEO, with his philanthropy on the past decade or so he has been at least trying to atone.
Apparently not good enough that Linus thought it was good enough to continue being an asshole. Pat on the back to him.
He didn’t. Did you miss the part where I said he got therapy? He even went so far to apologize, which is more than you can say about most of those tone deaf, narcissistic sociopath CEO types.
Great? Ask enterprise companies and hospitals how secure and reasonable Linux seems for their business models.
I’m not even sure what’s your point here. Sure Linux isn’t applicable to all kinds of business or how they’re built. How that invalidates what I said about the server market?
Yeah this one is a joke. Linux is far from ready for the mobile world at least for phones.
What? So you’re completely ignoring that the largest mobile OS on the market is built on Linux?
Linus’ brand of assholery extends to cussing out some of his colleagues via email when they did something stupid, sometimes. It’s not even remotely comparable to Steve Jobs (horrible treatment of his daughter) and Bill Gates (EEE strategy, monopolistic practices).
Wasn’t Linus an actual asshole back in the day. The same as Steve Jobs and even Bill Gates. Seems to be a running trend with OS makers from the early 90’s.
https://itsfoss.com/torvalds-takes-a-break-from-linux/
Not that it is relevant. It’s cool we have Linux. Glad we can celebrate a system that just isn’t quite there yet.
EDIT: Lemmy is a cesspool. You guys need help.
In my opinion, not the same as these guys. Jobs and Gates were assholes because they got fuck you money and power, so they were assholes for being assholes’ sake. Linus was an asshole, but he usually had good reasons for acting like that, usually technical, common sense and no-nonsense driven. Sometimes I miss the time before he got therapy or whatever. It was amusing and cathartic to see him roasting some guys because he was right more often than not.
What are you talking about? I mean, if you mean Linux on the Desktop, sure, but nobody who uses Linux on the IT sector cares too much about that. Linux has won on the server arena for a long time already. E: And then there’s also the mobile and embedded market. If you think about it, desktop is the only part in tech that Linux has yet to gain ground.
With Steam Deck it’s gained ground there too. Sure. It’s still not even close to Windows. But, progress is exciting anyways.
He created linux. He can be as much an asshole as he likes. Fuck your fee fees.
Someone apparently doesn’t know how Bill Gates actually got his start or how Apple started. “Money and power.”
Bill Gates snuck into a library to learn about computers.
Apple started with a group of people in a damn garage.
“He was an asshole but he had good reason.” Apparently not good enough that Linus thought it was good enough to continue being an asshole. Pat on the back to him.
“It’s won on Server Arena.” Great? Ask enterprise companies and hospitals how secure and reasonable Linux seems for their business models.
“Mobile.” Yeah this one is a joke. Linux is far from ready for the mobile world at least for phones.
“Embedded” now this one is actually a fair point.
IDK about the topic of him being an asshole. I don’t follow him like, at all.
But, I might argue about the server arena part. From my understanding, (not in the field, so feel free to prove me wrong), but Azure, AWS, and others are built on Linux. Right? Just the two sites are a very massive percentage of the internet.
Mobile, again I might be wrong. Android is a fork of Linux or runs the Linux kernel. Is that right?
Yes, you are right, on all accounts. Pretty much all of cloud infrastructure is built on Linux, including Microsoft’s Azure, except when you have apps deployed there that are based or dependent on legacy (.NET Framework and older stuff) or proprietary (AAD and stuff like that) Microsoft tech, but again, those are becoming more and more the exception rather than the rule. On-prem setups tend to be more mixed between Microsoft and “other” stacks, but Microsoft hasn’t had the lead for a long time even there.
And you’re absolutely right, Android runs on the Linux kernel; although the userspace is not pure GNU, the fact that Android runs on Linux is 100% relevant to the discussion since Linus is the lead maintainer and creator of the kernel.
The OC clearly has some bone to pick with Linus, I’m outta here.
How one started is irrelevant to the discussion. A lot of big companies out there had humble beginnings. It’s about what those guys turn into once they hit it big. And the thing is, Linus never really hit it big, not in the way that Jobs or Gates did, because he was always content to be the tech / architecture guy instead of moving up to more higher-level management roles, which is where the money tends to be.
For all their humble beginnings, Jobs and Gates were ruthless when they hit it big. Go read one of the biographies of Jobs - he was a notoriously difficult guy to work with, and was needlessly an asshole very often. Also remember that Apple wasn’t just Jobs; at least half of its early success is due to Wozniak, who is still beloved by everyone to this day, because on top of being a brilliant hardware and software engineer, he isn’t and wasn’t a dick.
I’ll cut some slack to Gates though - as ruthless as he was on his days as CEO, with his philanthropy on the past decade or so he has been at least trying to atone.
He didn’t. Did you miss the part where I said he got therapy? He even went so far to apologize, which is more than you can say about most of those tone deaf, narcissistic sociopath CEO types.
I’m not even sure what’s your point here. Sure Linux isn’t applicable to all kinds of business or how they’re built. How that invalidates what I said about the server market?
What? So you’re completely ignoring that the largest mobile OS on the market is built on Linux?
…this is a joke right?
You seem like you have zero idea what you are talking about…
Linus’ brand of assholery extends to cussing out some of his colleagues via email when they did something stupid, sometimes. It’s not even remotely comparable to Steve Jobs (horrible treatment of his daughter) and Bill Gates (EEE strategy, monopolistic practices).
Ahh, classical Torvalds’ buttburning. So sad I don’t see it anymore