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    2 months ago

    Private Media’s duty is to the shareholders.

    And if you look at who the big shareholders are voting for (and donating to and campaigning for) it’s the Trump GOP.

    Sinclair Media, iHeartCommunications, News Corp, Amazon Media Group, Twitter…

    These guys are lockstep with the conservative movement.

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    2 months ago

    The end of democracy in the U.S. is not going to come from fascist conservatives, but from too-busy-with-life normies, the type who don’t vote in anything but presidential elections. They’re just too busy to notice anything other than their bills.

    In their minds, they’re going to “punish” the blues for inflation while ignoring that the reds only ever made them poorer. These type of people don’t care about genocides (someone else’s problem, there’s always brown people dying, Israel is an ally etc), abortion rights (only stupid people get pregnant or only sluts need that), or trans people (that’s too weird for them). They don’t care about climate change (it’s a topic up for debate, it’s not factual), but have kids. They don’t care about workers rights, but work deadend or multiple jobs. They don’t care about getting more healthcare rights, but are a medical emergency away from bankruptcy.

    I am not saying these people are dumb or callous, they need outreach and they need to be presented clearly with their options and outcomes. If you can, volunteer to sign people up to vote and present what’s at stake.

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    2 months ago

    “bbbbut thuh Dems haven’t done anything to EARN my vote” and other such brain dead takes from ding dongs who don’t understand basic pragmatic logic.

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      Neither of us can convince someone whose friends had their asses beat by cops at a university protesting Biden’s action. Only Biden can do that, by ending the genocide.

      When dems lose for not doing the things they need to do to get elected, are you going to blame the dems for not winning what should be an easy election by just doing the things the people want him to do, using all the means at his disposal, or are you going to blame every single voter in the US for not voting for a party that shows nothing but contempt for them?

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        I notice a certain slight tendency in your comments to talk about China, implication that aid for Taiwan was “bought” from the US congress by someone, tendency to delve into the details of tariffs and suchlike.

        Quick question for you: If I protest in China against a Chinese policy I don’t agree with, what happens to me?

        (This isn’t a whataboutism – China doing something doesn’t excuse the US police from doing a much milder version of the same thing. I don’t think they should be beating or arresting protestors here either. I’m just curious how universally you apply this concern for protestors who had their asses beat.)

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          Quick question for you: If I protest in China against a Chinese policy I don’t agree with, what happens to me?

          Quick Answer: You can just google “site:scmp.com (or any other english language chinese news site) protestors”

          You could probably find much better data if you googled the chinese word for protestors, but then you’d have to translate the results.

          Even when the government wants to shut down protests, such as in HK, it’s 100x more gentle than the US is. Think of how many people getting run over by cops we saw in 2020. I didn’t see a single child get domed with a pepperball in Hong Kong.

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            100x more gentle than the US is

            Faaaaascinating

            Also, look at all the happy Uyghurs leaving their re-education camps after the Chinese government helped boost their job opportunities. Sounds great.

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              Yes, that is 100x more gentle than how the US deals with terrorism. Abu Garib was not giving people job training and setting them up with careers.

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                Bro, it’s not a fuckin contest

                I’m not in favor of Abu Ghraib, or Guantánamo, or the Uyghur detention camps, or the genocide in Gaza. From my point of view as a person who likes human rights, it’s actually not really that complicated to say that I’m not in favor of any of those things. It wouldn’t even occur to me to bring up one of them as a defense for any of the others, because I would have no reason to want to defend any of them.

                This is exactly why I wanted to ask you that seemingly unrelated question. I was curious whether you were an overall pro-human-rights person who came organically to your viewpoint about not wanting to vote for the Democrats, or whether that “of course I hate that Palestine protestors in the US are being abused” – a pretty sensible view, tbh – came alongside some other views which were incongruous and surprising, and wouldn’t commonly be encountered in a person who has strong feelings about human rights as they pertain to domestic US politics.

                Sounds like I got my answer.

                (Edit: Oh, not that this is the point, because (1) as I said it’s not a contest (2) it is actually a little unfair to compare Hong Kong’s mini-insurrection against peaceful US Palestine protests – but Hong Kong protestors absolutely were shot in the head with nonlethal rounds, shot with live ammunition, given brain injuries and broken bones, sexually assaulted, and in some cases had their eyes shot out. Maybe they can get together with the BLM people who had eyes shot out and the lot of them could start working out how we can get these assholes out of power please.)

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                  a person who has strong feelings about human rights and domestic US politics.

                  My take on any enemies of the US is uncritical support; the only impact the US will have on those people is further immiseration, thus to criticize them as an American living in America is to carry water for imperialism.

                  It’s why you see people get more worked up about Iranian oppression than Saudi oppression, despite Saudi Arabia being dependent on US military aid to oppress it’s people. The context of you, and American, hearing about gay rights in Palestine is to support further oppression of the Palestinian people.

    • postmateDumbass@lemmy.world
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      Sadly they are the only voices trying to keep the Dems aim to the left.

      Dems kept sliding right after coopting the middle with Clinton. Basically a Good Cop-Bad Cop routine.

      Now there is no left, aside from Sanders.

      Authoritarian to the left, fascist to the right, here we are.

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        If Sanders ever got the Presidency, leftists would drop him within 3 months.

        Leftists want a unicorn, and they don’t exist. Until leftists realize this, they’ll be powerless. Leftism in America has spent 20 years eating itself, and now they’re surprised they have no power.

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          Sure, when Sanders was dominating the Democrats primary in 2016 we saw the entire county do a charachter assasination for a week straight.

          It was the purest sign since Gove v Bush2 that the USA was no longer a republic nor a democracy.

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            Leftist version of the Lost Cause

            Your messiah didn’t have the votes. All the DNC shenanigans in the world don’t change that.

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        Sure. But i subscribed for memes. If I wanted simplified compressed political statements I would go to twitter.

        Try posting it to woodworking or knitting if themes doesn’t matter.

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    Hahahah imagine expecting liberal media to stop fascism.

    Liberalism creates the conditions of fascism; Capitalism tends towards crisis, eventually it must be buttressed by applying colonial methods at home.

    Liberals always do everything they can to keep us on the path towards fascism, since socialism represents a greater threat to capitalism.

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      I’m so glad idiots like you are a joke to the silent majority, who will continue living free under liberalism long after fascism and communism are forgotten.

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            to Those Leftists™, anyone thats left of them, right of them, or has identical political beliefs on everything except one issue are “libs”, its been thrown around so much on lemmy that it takes up the same part of my brain as “woke”, when I see someone use it unironically its generally safe to say I can ignore them.

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              Social democrats literally are liberals though; liberal is defined by support of capitalism, social democrats seek to buttress capitalism with social programs.

              Not to be confused with Democratic Socialism, such as in Bolivia and and Venezuela, who aren’t liberals, nor are anarchists, or communists or various indigenous movements that are their own flavor of anti-capitalist.