Don’t talk too loudly about Democrats increasing funding for cops, it helps Trump!
Don’t talk too loudly about Biden bankrolling a genocide, it helps Trump!
Don’t talk too loudly about the man y’all say will protect us from Trump being too incapacitated to protect us from Trump, it helps Trump!
It is crazy to try to paint this as drama when you bring up any issues before things get bad, folks will just shout you down anyway. I’ve seen many liberals say they would vote for Biden’s corpse, so what difference does it make if it is someone else with (D) next to their name? You might as well go down swinging than on your knees.
Don’t talk too loudly about Democrats increasing funding for cops, it helps Trump!
Don’t talk too loudly about Biden bankrolling a genocide, it helps Trump!
That’s because most Americans like both Israel and cops. The ones who don’t lack the numbers to be worth courting.
And, yes, it does suck to be stuck in a country with people like that, especially when they refuse to listen to reason and hold all the cards.
Welcome to America.
Biden is just another arrogant, out of touch, privileged elite with no understanding of what the majority of Americans experience day to day.
His hubris was on full display in Friday’s interview, the stakes are clearly not the same for him. He has enough wealth and power to weather this fascist storm, unfortunately most of us do not.
If Trump gets elected, I’m pretty sure Biden’s going to get a kangaroo court trial on some garbage charge and be sent to prison.
Worst case scenario Biden has the resources/connections to evacuate to somewhere safe and luxurious. The rest of us are stuck dealing with christofascist militias. The wealthy will continue living in opulence.
Because we’re all relying on historical context. No previous-loser has ever won against the person who beat them in the history of presidential elections.
Democrats funding for cops actually helps democrats reach centrists and independent voters.
Nobody actually gives a shit about Israel and Palestine. People bringing this up are feigning concern.
Nobody has ever said Biden will ‘protect us from Trump’. Not voting for Trump is what protects us from Trump. Telling people to stick it to the man and vote for someone else is harmful, because it splits the vote.
Nobody actually gives a shit about Israel and Palestine. People bringing this up are feigning concern.
What the fuck are you going on about? Just because you’re a psychopath who doesn’t give a shit about other people doesn’t mean we all are.
I cannot claim to know OP’s mind, but IMHO, I think those that are performatively wringing their hands and clutching their pearls over the situation in Israel right now are either a bit deluded or just out to delude others, IF they are acting like having donnie instead of Biden would make that situation in any way better. And if they are telling people to vote third party or stay home to lodge a stupid protest against The Man, they are only helping donnie. Which again, will result in things going from very, very bad to far far worse.
Nobody is making that argument. You were the person the op was taking about. Nobody’s going to vote trump over Palestine.
. No previous-loser has ever won against the person who beat them in the history of presidential elections.
Biden’s current approval rating is 34%…
What’s the last president with numbers that low he got a second term?
Like, I don’t think people understand how historically unpopular Biden is. 34% is fucking insane for being the president that followed trump, you can’t get a better set up than being compared to that shitheel.
Liberals are so self-assured that they occupy the majority position that they simply cannot fathom that number is accurate.
I honestly do not think there is any way to get through to those people. Everyone who disagrees is either not a real american democrat or have been duped by the fake media.
They will drive us clear over the edge of the cliff and blame us for giving them the wrong directions.
It’s just insane to me.
Like, there’s that thread where Biden’s talking about not bowing to “elites and millionaires” calling for him to drop…
And people are acting like that’s really what’s happening.
The elite and billionaires are the only ones not calling for him to drop, he’s trying to frame it as him fighting for what voters want, but voters don’t want Joe as the candidate.
On Friday when they asked him about the polls, he just pulled a trump and said they weren’t fucking real.
Before trump in 2016, that answer would never have fucking flown.
This is the kind of leadership he needs to show to convince everyone he’s still viable, but a letter on it’s own is not going to cut it.
I hear he called in on Morning Joe as well, I need to run that down.
Edit Found the clip:
I hear he called in on Morning Joe as well, I need to run that down.
I don’t watch it, but apparently Biden watches it daily to the point it’s like Fox and Friends for trump.
After the debate the couple who hosts split on what to do. And the one that wasn’t still Biden didn’t show to a taping after.
There’s been a lot of articles about Morning Joe and Biden recently
How about you first of all pull your head out of your ass and understand the existential nature of the situation, Biden? It’s starting to look like you’re one of the last people in the party that just doesn’t fucking get it. We’re probably not going to have real elections anymore if you lose to Trump, and you don’t seem to be taking that seriously. You’ve done fuck-all over your term to actually combat the rising fascism in this country, and we’re in this situation in large part because of that. Get out of the fucking way and let someone who will actually treat the situation with the seriousness it deserves have the ticket.
Watch out everyone! This dudes BIG MAD
I’m honestly a bit surprised you’re not big mad at the prospect of the fascists winning the presidency in November
I’m mad that that’s an option, but you’re spewing division which is the last thing we need right now. I, and many others, have been saying Biden isn’t the best choice. He should have been replaced earlier.
But now?! That’s the last thing we need. One slightly bad debate isn’t going to make me start in party fighting. Like it or not, Biden is our best shot. Any other option shows even more weakness. He could die 2 seconds after the election and I wouldn’t care. But until then he’s the number 1 choice
I vote for the party and it’s beliefs, not the man.
I vote for the party and it’s [sic] beliefs, not the man.
Which beliefs? That compromising with fascism is the best way to deal with it? That the best way to move this country forward is to continually offer a “lesser evil”? That occasional lip-service to not being bigots is enough to distract us from the burning planet and infinitely yawning chasm between the owner class and the workers?
Do you have any clue what has actually been done in the past 4 years, or would you like me to list out some stuff? Cause if you read more into politics besides “the man’s old!” he’s been doing quite a bit for the American people
Also, if you can name a better candidate right now we would maybe be able to discuss that. But everyone is just saying ‘someone needs to replace him’ without any real answer. We all agree this isn’t ideal. But there is no genuine better solution IMHO
Harris. Easy answer. Already has name recognition, already has been planning to take over as President (if even a single Democratic advisor isn’t brain-dead), and scares the Republicans because she’s a woman and black. Sure, she’s a cop, but there aren’t any good options in the Democratic Party, and she won’t put up with Trump’s shit.
And isn’t past retirement age. Of course she wouldn’t have universal support, but I doubt there’s any Democrat who could have less support than Biden right now.
As for all the things Biden has done, I have heard of a few trivial steps in the right direction his administration has done. That’s great. Why isn’t he focusing on them in his campaign? Ignore the Toupee. Tell us what empty promises his administration is going to make. Nearly every sentient being is a better option than the Toupee, that’s not a compelling reason to vote for Biden, that’s just a reason to vote for anything else.
So you want to throw the party into chaos and give the enemy ammo just to elect the person that’s almost guaranteed to be in charge anyway? That seems pointless. A vote for Biden is a vote for Harris now anyway.
Here’s the part I like: Biden said “if they’re serious they ought to ‘announce for president, challenge me at the convention’ or rally behind him against Trump”.
He’s got a point. I thought the debate was a massive fuck-up, but deciding who to replace him with and then mounting a viable attempt at the replacement with that person makes a hell of a lot more sense to me than just leaning into GOP talking points about how Biden’s fuckups, however bad, are definitely worse than Trump’s objectively much worse fuckups.
Replace Biden? Sure, let’s get fuckin busy, find a good replacement, and if doesn’t work, get behind Biden or whoever the nominee is. I still think Jon Stewart is the way to do it, but that is probably a non starter of an idea. Kamala Harris is the highest polling option and realistic. Be aware that everyone who was super panicked about Biden’s unsuitability will instantly pivot to panicking with concern-trolling about Kamala’s unsuitability, and if you fall for it right away again and start trying to replace her, I will not have a lot of respect for you or your intelligence or pattern recognition abilities.
Keep Biden? Sure, that sounds good too. Let’s get fuckin busy, and start rallying people to help him beat the end of the world in November.
Keep running in circles flapping our hands in the air about how something must be done because we’re definitely going to lose in November, without offering any good alternate strategy or way to get it done? That is the option that seems unlikely to cause anything good to happen. It is, however, what a lot of the Republican aligned media seems very very committed to encouraging the Democrats to do, and for some mentally challenged reason it seems like it’s winning over quite a lot of them.
As much as I like John Stewart, I think one of the big issues with Trump was that he and his administration were totally unqualified for their jobs. Let’s not stoop to their level and put up someone who has never held public office.
If we managed to get through a Trump term, with him being actively malicious and looking to do as much damage as possible, it proves exactly the fucking opposite.
Good intentions and a willingness to listen to knowledgeable advisors (but not simply follow them, genuinely listening to their explanations and then making a decision) is enough to be a good president.
Qualifications, like with most jobs that require all sorts of degrees and high requirements, are bullshit.
I think I’ve finally figured out the Democratic Party’s strategy here. The Dems have never held the presidency through two consecutive candidates, save for the VP taking over after the president’s death. They’re pushing Biden so hard knowing he’ll die shortly into his second term, then they’ll have Harris for at least one term, giving them a slight advantage in 2028. And if they can secure a second term for Harris, that gives them eight years to mildly delay fascism, and by that point the earth will be on fire too much for any government system to matter.
Oh yeah.
2028 is going to be a repeat of this regardless of if Biden or Kamal run in 2024.
2028 will be a bullshit “primary”, NH will get their delegates stolen again. And the DNC will announce it’s over after 3-4 Republican states have voted.
“We have 42 days to the Democratic Convention and 119 days to the general election,” Biden said in the letter
Sounds like we got 42 more days to name a candidate…
Why the fuck are we pretending this is only Biden’s decision though?
The DNC can nominate anyone they want, and Biden already said he doesn’t care if trump wins.
So why does Biden get to insist he’s the candidate? Especially when every metric and data point we have, shows Biden won’t be able to pull it off?
This election is more important than an 81 year olds personal beliefs and if “Lord God” has told him to drop out or not
Pushing forward with Joe is damn near suicidal at this point.
Biden said he doesn’t care if Trump wins? What?
Yep.
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/06/biden-abc-interview-trump-election-peace
The article has the clip.
As long as he does the “goodest” job he can, he’s fine with trump winning.
If you haven’t watched the full interview yet. You really need to
to be completely fair, it is possible meant “as good of a job as he can”, but this is the kind of mumbling that’s become standard for him
the bar is just so fucking low, I can’t believe we’re even having to discuss it.
The issue isn’t how he phrased it.
The issue is he doesn’t really care if he loses.
That’s not enough when we’re fighting a fascist take over of our country…
The DNC can nominate whoever, but one point of contention will be the millions in individual donations for Biden-Harris…
Millions sound like a lot…
But it was projected to cost 2 billion for Biden to beat Trump this election.
But the bulk of Biden’s money is in the BVF, something that the DNC has access to as well. Lots of people confuse that with Biden’s money only.
The majority of the money isn’t just controlled by Biden’s campaign.
I’d like to think he’d hand it over to the new candidate, but even if he doesn’t. Dark money won’t start flowing for another month or so that’s when it’s too late to track down before the election.
Did you hear about it last election?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-64-million-mystery-anonymous-donations-2024-presidential-campaign/
I don’t know whether or not campaign finance rules allow it, I was just thinking it will be problematic to that new person’s campaign.
If Biden cooperates gracefully, every penny he has for 2024 can go to the new candidate.
Or he can act like a petulant child and hold on to as much as he can out of spite to hurt his replacement
I don’t think what little he could hold onto would matter. And I don’t know if he’d give it up or fight to keep the money
But if your opinion of Biden is he will do anything to stop trump, then if he’s replaced his money isn’t an issue, he’d give it up immediately.
I haven’t told you any of my opinions, just a concern I was wondering about. I get that this topic is contentious, but I don’t know why you downvoted my comment as this is a legit question…
The comment you’re talking about…
I’m the only one that upvoted you, not the only one who down voted you
Lemmy votes don’t matter. But if you really care I could upload a screenshot to imgur and give you the link I guess.
Supposedly there’s a way to tell from Lemmy? I don’t know tho, because up votes don’t matter.
I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment, but technically it is entirely up to Biden, and no one else. The DNC can’t just nominate whoever they want, there was a primary to determine the nominee. Most delegates that will vote for him at the convention, must vote for him. They’re required by state law to vote with the primary’s popular vote. The only way for that to change is for Biden to decide to step aside. Then the delegates would be free to vote however they wanted.
It’s a messed up and broken system that is hard to call democratic, but internal party politics rarely are. He needs to be the bigger person and step aside. It’s pure hubris at this point for him to think he’s the only human being in a country of 300 million who could beat Trump.
The DNC can’t just nominate whoever they want, there was a primary to determine the nominee.
That’s not what the DNCs lawyers argued to a judge less than a decade ago…
You’re assuming the DNC can’t just change their own rules first. Which is what the DNC is currently acting like.
It’s not true though. They change their own rules all the time.
What the DNC lawyers say and what the general public will allow are two different things.
If Joe doesn’t volunteer to step down, and it looks like he won’t here’s what will happen:
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Joe runs and loses.
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DNC removes Joe for Kamala and she loses because everyone hates her.
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DNC forces both Joe and Kamala out and they lose because the voters had no say in the process.
Really, the only way out here is for Joe to die and get replaced by Kamala who then gets the sympathy vote.
Yeah, but polls show voters want to replace him…
If the DNC replaced him, that’s what voters want.
Kamala and she loses because everyone hates her.
I’m linking this too much probably.
But this podcast changed my mind about her. Still think she’ll be a bad president. But trump is probably the only candidate she can beat, even with the 29% approval rating. After this video I think she can beat trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jic_uL3-q4
If you’re worried Kamala can’t beat Trump, watching the first half of that will make you feel a lot better about her.
Because honestly, I can’t imagine the DNC let’s anyone else takeover.
The polls don’t know what they want and your average voter is a moron. If they asked them “Well, what should we do?” most likely the answer would be “Well, re-run the primary!” not realizing it takes 6 months to run a primary in 50 states+DC.
The polls don’t know what they want and your average voter is a moron.
So you think voters will do a 180 and now be upset Biden is replaced when they’ve been calling for him to be replaced?
I don’t understand.
There’s been no waffling in the polls, even in 2020 voters thought Biden’s age was a significant issue.
They still do, but they used to too.
I do, because they will have had no say in who replaces him.
The same way the DNC forced Hillary on everyone in 2016.
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