Dozens of Muslim scholars and faith leaders unite to send a powerful message to the Democrats
  • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    1 month ago

    To side with the even more genocidal Trump team? What kind of crazy is this? There isn’t a third option. There’s horrifically bad and there’s even worse and you’re siding with even worse. Come back to reality, Cowbee, it misses you.

    Of course not Trump, he’s just as genocidal as Harris, Walz, and Biden. You’re siding with genocide, that’s unacceptable.

    The class is holding a vote on whether to put the “slap the ugly kid in the face” guy in charge or the “kick him in the nuts” guy in charge. You’re right to say the kid should be left alone. You’re right to say there should be a third option. You’re right that there should be no slapping. You’re right that the vote is offensive. But you can’t stop the vote and you can’t stop the violence. None of us can.

    Pure defeatism, if we have to torture this poor kid then it’s best to tell the teacher to fuck off.

    But fuck you if you can’t bring yourself to say that the kid ought not to be kicked in the nuts and fuck you if you tell all the nice kids not to vote and fuck you if the kid gets kicked in the nuts because of your idiot intervention that only ever talks about the slappers and gives the kick-in-the-nuts crowd a free pass.

    You are still under the grand delusion that the GOP is worse than the DNC on the issue of genocide. They aren’t, this is a bipartisan effort. Biden has even sent in the troops and Walz said Israel needs to expand.

    Not voting just lets the “kick him in the nuts” guy win every time, which is why the “slap him in the face” guy came up with the slapping policy in the first place.

    No, this is so far removed from why America supports the genocidal settler-colonial entity. America supports Israel because Israel is a rabid dog on a leash that America uses to terrorize the Middle East and secure the Petro-Dollar, which it uses as the global standard to have a monopoly on Financial Capital, enslaving the Global South with predatory IMF loans.

    Please, do some actual thinking.

    • davidagain@lemmy.world
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      1 month ago

      You’re kidding yourself. The Democrats absolutely have to move right when left wing people refuse to vote, otherwise they lose.

      Withdrawing your vote is literally withdrawing left wing influence on politics and anything else is just a complicated lie.

      Letting the republicans win is just encouraging the democrats to be more like the republicans.

      If you convince everyone who cares about Gaza not to vote, then the parties absolutely cannot afford to have a pro Gaza stance, because it’s electoral suicide - all the people who care about Gaza don’t vote and will the people who just hate on Muslims so.

      • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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        1 month ago

        You’re kidding yourself. The Democrats absolutely have to move right when left wing people refuse to vote, otherwise they lose.

        They can move left if they want left votes.

        Withdrawing your vote is literally withdrawing left wing influence on politics and anything else is just a complicated lie.

        Do you think the Dems analyze the percentage of votes based on the beliefs of their voters? What fantasy land do you live in? The Dems keep trucking along for their donors and appeal to areas they want votes in from the public. If Leftists always vote for dems as a fixed lever, then Dems will move right to satisfy their donors more because the leftists are spineless.

        Letting the republicans win is just encouraging the democrats to be more like the republicans.

        If the dems don’t want leftist votes and move to the right, that’s a problem with the dems, not leftists.

        If you convince everyone who cares about Gaza not to vote, then the parties absolutely cannot afford to have a pro Gaza stance, because it’s electoral suicide - all the people who care about Gaza don’t vote and will the people who just hate on Muslims so.

        I convince people to vote for anti-genocide parties like PSL and the Greens. Not supporting Palestine is electoral suicide.

        • davidagain@lemmy.world
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          1 month ago

          Do you think the Dems analyze the percentage of votes based on the beliefs of their voters?

          No, I think they see the republicans win with right wing policies, sigh and say “I guess we’ve gotta do some of that shit to get elected.”

            • davidagain@lemmy.world
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              1 month ago

              They try to gain power, and they follow the votes that count towards the result. They ignore the votes that ignore the contest. You seem to think they pay attention to the non voters’ views more than the voters views, which is irrational.

              • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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                1 month ago

                You keep pretending third party voters are non-voters, which is definitionally false.

                The Dems follow the money, which comes from their donors. This drives policy.

                For electoralism, they gesture to their voterbase, but this doesn’t impact their real policy.

                • davidagain@lemmy.world
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                  1 month ago

                  You keep pretending third party voters are non-voters, which is definitionally false.

                  You keep pretending that choosing to not affect the outcome affects the outcome.

        • davidagain@lemmy.world
          11·
          1 month ago

          If you convince everyone who cares about Gaza not to vote, then the parties absolutely cannot afford to have a pro Gaza stance, because it’s electoral suicide - all the people who care about Gaza don’t vote and will the people who just hate on Muslims so.

          I convince people to vote for anti-genocide parties like PSL and the Greens.

          Not voting, voting for Shill Stein, it’s all gonna have the same effect - republicans winning and the democrats chasing the only votes on the table because the left folks abstain or effectively abstain.

          Not supporting Palestine is electoral suicide.

          Not voting is electoral death. Voting third party is electoral death. On which planet is the republicans winning going to make the democrats move away from rightwing policies? None of them!

          If the dems don’t want leftist votes and move to the right,

          They are going to move to the right if they lose. We have one of the most leftwing candidates the democrats have fielded in decades, and if she loses, the party bosses are going to say “see, it’s senseless chasing leftwing votes, they’re too pure to muddy their hands in actually effecting the outcome - we have to more to where people who actually vote are. The only way to win is to have policies that actual voters like, not your theoretical voters who won’t compromise - you’ll never get their vote. Come back to the centre!” And of course we both know what the centre means in America.

          • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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            1 month ago

            Not voting, voting for Shill Stein, it’s all gonna have the same effect - republicans winning and the democrats chasing the only votes on the table because the left folks abstain or effectively abstain.

            The dems can move left if they want leftist votes, and more people are moving to the left as Capitalism declines.

            Not voting is electoral death. Voting third party is electoral death. On which planet is the republicans winning going to make the democrats move away from rightwing policies? None of them!

            Electoralism is death.

            They are going to move to the right if they lose. We have one of the most leftwing candidates the democrats have fielded in decades

            Are you genuinely being serious, here? Do you know what Left-Wing means? LMAO

            and if she loses, the party bosses are going to say “see, it’s senseless chasing leftwing votes, they’re too pure to muddy their hands in actually effecting the outcome - we have to more to where people who actually vote are. The only way to win is to have policies that actual voters like, not your theoretical voters who won’t compromise - you’ll never get their vote. Come back to the centre!” And of course we both know what the centre means in America.

            Harris is campaigning to the RIGHT. She is moving RIGHT and losing voters over it.

            • davidagain@lemmy.world
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              1 month ago

              Are you genuinely being serious, here? Do you know what Left-Wing means? LMAO

              I didn’t say she was left wing, I said she was the most left wing candidate the democrats have fielded in decades. If she loses, the democrats will give up on trying to move left even a tiny bit. If she wins, they can safely move further left. But every time they lose, they move right, to compromise wry the voters who actually vote.

              You seem to be confusing Biden and Harris, which is understandable, but not particularly clear headed.

              Electoralism is death.

              Please stop pretending to care. You’re an acceleratist pretending to want things to get better. You clearly want it to get worse and you come up with the most backwards-on logic to pretend it’ll make things better.

              • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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                1 month ago

                I didn’t say she was left wing, I said she was the most left wing candidate the democrats have fielded in decades

                This is still meaningless.

                If she loses, the democrats will give up on trying to move left even a tiny bit. If she wins, they can safely move further left. But every time they lose, they move right, to compromise wry the voters who actually vote.

                They will not move left. If they win, they realize they can keep moving right. Dems want to move right to serve their donors.

                You seem to be confusing Biden and Harris, which is understandable, but not particularly clear headed.

                Not at all. Care to elaborate?

                Please stop pretending to care. You’re an acceleratist pretending to want things to get better. You clearly want it to get worse and you come up with the most backwards-on logic to pretend it’ll make things better.

                Please stop pretending to care. You’re an accelerationist pretending to want things to get better. You clearly want it to get worse and you come up with the most backwards-on logic to pretend it’ll make things better.

                Read theory. Join an org like FRSO or PSL.

                • davidagain@lemmy.world
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                  1 month ago

                  Read theory. Join an org like FRSO or PSL.

                  Because Harris listens to what they say?! Your theories seem to result in you checking out of having any effect on the world. No thanks.

                  If your activism wasn’t about to hand power to the literal fascists, it might have some appeal and I might think you were genuine or correct, but I can’t tell the difference between republican trolls and tankies because they give the exact same advice - if you care, make sure you don’t affect the outcome. What kind of shit advice is that?

                  • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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                    1 month ago

                    Because Harris listens to what they say?! Your theories seem to result in you checking out of having any effect on the world. No thanks.

                    No, because those are revolutionary orgs. Your lack of theory has you firmly advocating for dead ends.

                    If your activism wasn’t about to hand power to the literal fascists, it might have some appeal and I might think you were genuine or correct, but I can’t tell the difference between republican trolls and tankies because they give the exact same advice - if you care, make sure you don’t affect the outcome. What kind of shit advice is that?

                    The Dems are handing power to the fascists. They are committing genocide, Imperialism, failing to address the climate, refusing to help women, trans people, minority populations, and are accelerating towards World War 3.

                    Fascism will not be beaten by a Dem victory, it will still come. Fascism is Capitalism in decay, as long as Capitalism continues to decay fascism continues to rise. You are working towards fascism. Right-wingers like you would rather genocide continue than lift a finger to help Muslims.

                    Read theory and join an org.