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    tell me something man, if you pointed out that the south was in favor of slavery because some shithead was accusing someone of being a confederate soldier for opposing slavery, then I came along and started saying OHOHOHO DID YOU KNOW THAT ACTUALLY PLENTY OF LIBERAL REGIMES PARTICIPATED IN HISTORICAL SLAVERY SCHEMES THAT DID UNTOLD GENERATIONAL DAMAGE, what would you think of me, as a person?

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      OHOHOHO DID YOU KNOW THAT ACTUALLY PLENTY OF LIBERAL REGIMES PARTICIPATED IN HISTORICAL SLAVERY

      Largest slave market in the United States was located on Manhattan Island, thanks to a combination of the Dredd Scott decision and the Fugitive Slave Act. It was that immediate proximity to slavery which inflamed the abolitionist movement in the run up to the Civil War. And it was the burgeoning financial sector at Wall Street that allowed the slave trade to persist even after intercontinental slave trafficking had been (officially, although we still managed to turn a blind eye to a bunch of slave smuggling) prohibited.

      what would you think of me, as a person?

      Oh look, someone who knows their history. Not just some “North Side Good / South Side Bad” historical revisionist.

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        i do not think its historical revisionism to say that the South was the Bad Side in the american civil war. there may have been other motivations beyond slavery for either side but the primary disagreement was over that one pretty specific issue! i feel pretty confident saying that slavery is unequivocally bad, even if people who technically could be considered my political predecessors did it!

        and i used the example of liberal regimes specifically because I know there’s hundreds of examples of it being true, it wasn’t an attempt to paint what you said as false. it was an attempt to highlight the weird, almost non-sequitur defensive nature of the response. like someone saying that pie is good and then posting a response about how apples are actually a source of CYANIDE!!!

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          there may have been other motivations beyond slavery

          I pointed to slave markets in New York and you’re rolling out revanchist neo-confederate talking points.

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            im not rolling them out dude, im saying that slavery was the primary issue even if those talking points had any ounce of truth to them. i only brought it up because I expected you to try and deploy that shitty argument and wanted to get ahead of it.