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    I love how you Tankies just assume everyone but you is pro-US or something.

    Yeah, absolutely; the Chinese government is evil just like Israel and the US’s governments. Glad we agree that they’re all imperialist genociders! Good talk!

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      For these people it’s the most grievous offense to criticize china and russia, and if you’re not constantly cheering for total annihilation of the West, you’re an ontologically evil libshit and deserve to be gulag’d

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      By the widely recognized origin of the word (the Soviet Union rolling in tanks to suppress revolution in Hungary) and what it means (people in support of that use of force and tanks to suppress civilian revolution), supporters of Israel and the US are both “tankies.” Glad we agree, good talk!

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        Wow, it’s absolutely hilarious that you’re trying to reclaim that term. Good luck! xD

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          Tankie refers to those people who supported the Soviet use of tanks to quell the Hungarian revolution. Literally, it’s the exact same thing Israel is doing in Gaza.

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            Not quite what it refers to now, but I’m sure you’ll inform us that you know better.

            Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to communists who express support for one-party communist regimes that are associated with Marxism–Leninism, whether contemporary or historical.

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              The term “tankie” was originally used by dissident Marxist–Leninists to describe members of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) who followed the party line of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU). Specifically, it was used to distinguish party members who spoke out in defense of the Soviet use of tanks to crush the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 and the 1968 Prague Spring uprising.

              This is why people don’t cite Wikipedia.

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                Yes, that is the origin of the term, but it is not what it means now. Is that too complex for you?

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                  By the widely recognized origin of the word (the Soviet Union rolling in tanks to suppress revolution in Hungary) and what it means (people in support of that use of force and tanks to suppress civilian revolution), supporters of Israel and the US are both “tankies.” Glad we agree, good talk!

                  Let me be a bit more clear:

                  By the widely recognized origin of the word

                  Edit: maybe I wasn’t clear enough

                  widely recognized origin

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                    Ah, I see your confusion.

                    what it means (people in support of that use of force and tanks to suppress civilian revolution)

                    This ^ is the incorrect part of your statement. That is not what it means now.

                    edit: Also

                    Tankie refers to those people who supported the Soviet use of tanks to quell the Hungarian revolution.

                    Emphasis added. If you meant “referred” in the past tense, that was a typo on your part. Otherwise, you are just trying to reclaim the term to an earlier meaning.

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        supporters of Israel and the US are both “tankies.” Glad we agree, good talk!

        Based af, the tankies who support Chinese and Russian imperialism are equivalent to the tankies who support US and Israeli imperialism.

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      For what it’s worth, there’s still no evidence that Chinese tanks actually killed anyone on 6/4. No journalists on the ground found any indication of a mass casualty event on Tiananmen Square, which directly contradicts the claims made by protestors that there was. The same cannot be said for Soviet tanks in Hungary or Israeli tanks in Gaza, where civilian causalities are rather well-documented.

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        What’s saddest about this is that it took me literally 3 minutes to find images of tanks in Tiananmen running over student barricades, and blood streaks left on the ground afterwards, and bodies on the ground, but you don’t actually care at all, you’ll just cover your ears and push your narrative. You’re no better than people downplaying what Israel and America do, but you are so wrapped up in the righteousness of your ML rhetoric that you’ll just deny it and make up excuses for your side doing the same stuff.

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          took me literally 3 minutes to find images of tanks in Tiananmen running over student barricades, and blood streaks left on the ground afterwards

          I’m not as fast browsing through the 2141 images you’ve linked, most of them of protesters, some burned down tanks, and someone on a bike dressed as a tank. Could you point to the exact images you’re referring to?

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          Have you seen the blood streaks that tank tracks create? You can look at some of the videos in Gaza if you want to.

          Try again, maybe this time with actual evidence instead of unfounded conjecture.

          Edit: To clarify, I don’t think anybody is denying that people were hurt and killed on 6/4. Let’s make that clear. If anything, the Tank Man video shows that tank drivers were under orders to avoid civilian casualties.

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            Thank you for demonstrating my point.

            It’s very funny to me that you keep bringing up Gaza like it’s some counterpoint to what I’m saying, when all you’re doing is pointing out another bloodthirsty regime’s crimes. Do you think that Israel’s government being evil is somehow a rebuttal to China’s government being evil?

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              You haven’t provided any actual evidence.

              Is your point that your opinion is built on vibes?

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                Yeah, no evidence of anything, just images of the massacre. But those could really depict anything!

                lmao

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                  You’re claiming there’s a blood smear from a tank running over a body.

                  Have you seen a tank before? Do you think a tank is just a single block of metal?

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        No journalists on the ground found any indication of a mass casualty event on Tiananmen Square

        ON Tiananmen Square. This is fascist-level wordplay. The same journalists found a massacre all around Tiananmen Square in the rest of Beijing.

        no evidence that Chinese tanks actually killed anyone on 6/4

        This is just a straight up lie. Lots of people were killed in Beijing. Just possibly not any within the tiny physical confines of Tiananmen Square itself.