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NightOwl@lemm.ee to World News@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago

Mexican president urges end to 'irrational' Ukraine war, wants Russia at peace talks

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Mexican president urges end to 'irrational' Ukraine war, wants Russia at peace talks

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NightOwl@lemm.ee to World News@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago
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Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador on Monday called for an end to the "irrational" war in Ukraine, urging upcoming peace talks in the Middle East to include representation from both Ukraine and Russia.
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      That’s a fallacious argument based on a false premise. Russia has always been clear that their concern has been NATO expansion. Ukraine would have lost none of its territory had it chose to remain neutral.

      Perhaps it’s not so fallacious as you claim. Putin himself wrote a lengthy article (http://en.kremlin.ru/misc/66182) which was basically his version of Anschluß that Hitler used as reasoning for taking Austria in 1938. And Russian leaders have written a lot about how they would like to reverse the dismantling of USSR at least when it comes to territory – but since those nations are now sovereign that would amount to annexing those countries.

      Meanwhile, it’s kind of funny of you to talk about setting some sort of precedent when the west has set it a long time ago.

      I was talking about the precedent of using nuclear weapons to back offensive actions. USA did something like that during Korea in the 50s, but to my knowledge not since. Well ok, there was Trump, but who knows how serious that was.

      Russia has always been clear that their concern has been NATO expansion. Ukraine would have lost none of its territory had it chose to remain neutral.

      Didn’t Ukraine remain neutral about NATO until Russia took Crimea? Only after that they reconsidered that position.

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      The Budapest Memorandums disprove your argument. Long before Russian invaded Crimea, much less Ukraine main, a peace plan with a promise to never invade was given by Russia. Russia lied.

      https://web.archive.org/web/20140317182201/http:/www.cfr.org/arms-control-disarmament-and-nonproliferation/budapest-memorandums-security-assurances-1994/p32484

      https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/05/science/ukraine-nuclear-weapons.html

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