Well… he isn’t wrong. It is indeed completely irrational to fight 17 months, lose hundred thousand+ soldiers, most of your somewhat modern equipment and damage your economy for decades to come while proving to be incapable of even remotely reaching the goals set for just a 3-day-long invasion. And Russia should finally pack up, go home and end this shit show.
And now let’s wait for his brilliant plan to actually get Russia to wake up from their insane fever dream and delusion of grandeur… That is his plan, isn’t it? *cough*
It is indeed completely irrational to fight 17 months, lose hundred thousand+ soldiers, most of your somewhat modern equipment and damage your economy for decades to come while proving to be incapable of even remotely reaching the goals set
But enough about Ukraine’s performance in this war…
Which part of this is Ukraine, exactly? The “irrational” fighting, the “somewhat modern equipment”, or the “incapable of reaching the goals set”? Because afaik, Ukraine is still standing, fighting with modern equipment, and with unwavering support for future reconstruction from its allies
Try to keep the response coherent
The only person who said 3 days was some random US general, why are y’all using it as some sort of gotcha?
Even if it was hyperbole, which it isn’t, they still tried to blitzkrieg and failed.
Go on, respond then
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Are they? It’s difficult for me to tell given I have a language barrier and the vast majority of English-language information is obviously supportive of Ukraine. From what I have understood, it seems that Russia has gained a modest amount of land at significant cost in terms of human lives and internal political stability.
But I am also unsure how much I hear about the civil discontent is reflective of the actual Russian situation, beyond average pacifist sentiment. “Their society is in turmoil!” sorts of stories have been used in past conflicts to keep up public support for wars by making it sound like victory is around the corner.
Discriminating signal from noise in war media requires really active constant effort that I just can’t maintain long term when there are so many conflicts. As much as I want to. I also think the whole thing has been lose-lose for people and the environment, but that’s another topic altogether.
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Thanks, this seems like a sensible analysis that also accords with my knowledge of the situation prior to the current fighting. The conclusions drawn reflect the outcomes we have seen from other recent internationally-backed conflicts, which makes sense.
As always, the losers are the people who live inside the actual disputed territory, regardless of their background or political affiliations. It won’t be Putin’s or Zelenskyy’s children who step on the landmines long after the shooting stops. No matter how many countries say they commit to remove them.
It’s the US who has the most say in whether this will end. This conflict pulls the EU from cheap resources from Russia, now EU rely more on US, whether it’s resources or military. Especially military since they now have a big bear to fear from, US military industrial oligarchs are making banks from this. You keep provoking the bear, probing the red lines step by step, then there’s no wonder there are consequences. Buffer zone/state existed in history for a reason and it still stands to this day.
Analysis from benefits point, asking question like who profit or benefit the most ?. This will help you step out of the propaganda and misinformation from both sides and think for yourself.
Analysis from benefits is my usual approach, but the difficulty I find in war media is that every story benefits someone, even if it is just in the form of bolstering / weakening public support for something.
Deliberate operational secrecy also makes it more difficult to distinguish the completely fabricated from the exaggerated from the cherry-picked from the genuinely mistaken from the accurate.
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You have to move the goalposts further than even Putin has, in order to come up with the conclusion that Russia is winning the conflict.
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As someone who largely agrees with the content of what you have to say, your delivery is absolutely disgusting. You litter every comment with personal attacks, insults, and are needlessly offensive. I genuinely don’t know if you think that aggression helps get your point across, but it doesn’t. And, considering how many of your comments get removed by mods for that insult and disrespect, you should realize that even if you personally think it’s constructive, the mods don’t. If you think the content of your comments is valuable, don’t you think it’d have more value if it is left up for others to see, instead of having it removed where nobody can learn from it? If you resort to this namecalling and aggression so much, and the comments get removed, they’re of no value. As an outside observer, by reading your comments, I’m less likely to trust what you have to say, and instead would assume you have a set agenda that you won’t stray from. Your behavior detracts from your trustworthiness.
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I’ll just summarize my point: if you think you have educational value in your comments, that value is nil if the comment gets removed.
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Only in your dreams.
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Say the line yogthos!
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Oh look, it’s yogthos!
You’re a funny guy I love seeing your comments
Hey Andres, if the USA would invade and annex the Yucatán Peninsula (Cancún) how would you feel if some country on the other side of the world ask you to stop the fight and just talk to the USA? … yeah, right.
By that logic the entirety of America should declare unending war against the United States. Doesn’t sound that terrible if you ask me, but isn’t exactly the “humanitarian” approach.
Yucatán doesn’t have Americans living in it.
In fact America did invade and annex parts of Mexico. Why do you think half of California has Spanish names?
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Whataboutism, one of the core tools of a Russian propaganda bot.
Russian propaganda bot.
Oh he’s not a bot. They are a real verified human doing this as a labor of love.
He might be made of flesh, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t programned.
Whataboutism is the correct response to hypocrites.
Argument from fallacy, one of the core tools of a Redditor.
That’s not an argument from fallacy, they aren’t claiming they’re wrong.
Oh man wait until you hear about China starting a territory dispute with India, Japan, the Philippines, and building artificial islands to try and claim more territory!
What dumb fucking country tries to start a land war with THE ONE OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WITH A COMPARABLE POPULATION?
Uh, yeah, the thing about that? Russia wants concessions Ukraine will not give. It would also embolden the Duma and quite frankly they deserve all the L’s they can get.
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Please enlighten us.
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NATO’s role is complex, but blaming it solely for Russia’s actions oversimplifies a multifaceted issue. Don’t ignore Russia’s own choices and aggression.
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That is of course the excuse Putin wants everyone to swallow, but no matter how bad NATO has been and how that whole paradigm probably should be reimagined, one cannot ignore the decades of reporting, first hand accounts and witnesses of what’s going on in the various oblasts and republics of Russia, and I’m not just talking about Siberia.
It’s this idea that all westerners are stupid and disconnected enough to not know, but we have ex-pat Russians, Belarusians, Lithuanians, Moldovans, Polish, etc, etc.
This was never about NATO. That is a scapegoat. It is the resurgence of Russian emperialism, the classic KGB subversion and purile egomanic vanity. If they wanted Ukraine away from NATO, they could’ve instead relied on soft diplomacy and probably even have gotten there. This was as all about taking sovereign territory from another nation state for strategic purposes, by any means necessary.
Now consider Ukrainians, knowing all this, because again, they are not stupid neither, would they just lay down knowing fully well what will happen to their country?
Mf, they stay in this - for the survival of their culture and history, because cultural genocide will be just the first in a long line of atrocities that lie in wait if they should lose.
I put my chips on the Ukrainians, even that they become one of these perpetual conflict countries. But hopefully not. Hopefully they’ll take back the east and also Crimea and maybe even shake up the power dynamics in Russia for the better.
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Then push Russia to withdraw from Ukraine and pay reparations for the damage they’ve done. The only thing irrational about this war is that Russia started it and keeps acting like it’s justified.
YEah I don’t care but diplomacy would be nice. You can’t sell me a war.
Given Angela Merkel said outloud that minsk negotiations were a delaying tactic, what incentive is there to negotiate?
A ceasefire would be great. Which is why you don’t use negotiations cynically.
Remeber, this idiot side is with the russians.
Looks like you pissed off a bunch of tankies lmao
I agree, but that doesn’t change the fact that the mexican president is in cahoots with the russian government.
I don’t want Ukraine to be occupied by Russia , but I also don’t want Ukraine to join NATO.
I feel like that’s a decision for the Ukrainian people. Our wants don’t enter into it.
it would be interesting to see how perspective on joining NATO has changed since the collapse of USSR. in 1991 what was opinion, in 2023 what is opinon.
It has definitely shifted more towards NATO now.
how do you think opinions on israeli occupation of palestine and syria have changed?
Which demographic are you asking about?
Let’s attack russia
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Better just give everything to Russia then!
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Obviously you must think that it’s better to make sure hundreds of thousands of people die and millions more have their lives ruined before giving everything to Russia.
If I take this literally (“before giving everything to Russia”) then yes, it’s obviously better if hundreds of thousands die.
If you meant to say giving something to Russia, the question then is, what would be enough for Russia? They seem very much like Hitler’s Germany prior to WW2 right now, insofar that they try to reach further and further, and everyone has been just appeasing them. Russia has been involved in 15 wars since 1991, and in most of them Russia has been victorious.
Can you answer that? What would have been enough for Russia? How can we know that that would have been enough?
And imagine being the kind of absolute psycho who thinks that it’s better for billions of people to die in a nuclear holocaust than for Russia to win in Ukraine. These are the kinds of psychopaths we have here.
This line of thinking would set the precedent that nuclear powers can do whatever the fuck they want to do, and everyone who tries or even wants to stop them is guilty of causing nuclear holocaust. Should USA annex South America?
We have to realize that we’re not talking about taking Russian territory. We’re talking about restoring Ukrainian territory. The only one who is currently at the risk of losing any territory is Ukraine. Nobody is even thinking about taking Russian territory.
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That’s a fallacious argument based on a false premise. Russia has always been clear that their concern has been NATO expansion. Ukraine would have lost none of its territory had it chose to remain neutral.
Perhaps it’s not so fallacious as you claim. Putin himself wrote a lengthy article (http://en.kremlin.ru/misc/66182) which was basically his version of Anschluß that Hitler used as reasoning for taking Austria in 1938. And Russian leaders have written a lot about how they would like to reverse the dismantling of USSR at least when it comes to territory – but since those nations are now sovereign that would amount to annexing those countries.
Meanwhile, it’s kind of funny of you to talk about setting some sort of precedent when the west has set it a long time ago.
I was talking about the precedent of using nuclear weapons to back offensive actions. USA did something like that during Korea in the 50s, but to my knowledge not since. Well ok, there was Trump, but who knows how serious that was.
Russia has always been clear that their concern has been NATO expansion. Ukraine would have lost none of its territory had it chose to remain neutral.
Didn’t Ukraine remain neutral about NATO until Russia took Crimea? Only after that they reconsidered that position.
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The Budapest Memorandums disprove your argument. Long before Russian invaded Crimea, much less Ukraine main, a peace plan with a promise to never invade was given by Russia. Russia lied.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/05/science/ukraine-nuclear-weapons.html
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Who let the Orcs in? There’s something obvious here, but it’s not Russian victory.
Just say what you mean, “asiatic hordes”
Christ the open racism that the reddit migration has brought in is disgusting.
Hey look it’s the echo account. I mean war pigs, familiar?
Are you having a stroke or trying to talk in code? I just read some other text so I know I’m not having a stroke.
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He’s so proud to have a Russian passport to play tankie on the internet, but too cowardly to go to the front himself
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