Cars are getting an 'F' in data privacy. Most major manufacturers admit they may be selling your personal information, a new study finds, with half also saying they would share it with the government or law enforcement without a court order.
Its sad. I LOVE the concept of smart devices, the fact that you can do things so much more conveniently with little interaction. They can absolutely be done without being privacy nightmares, but apparently companies are not interested in that.
You’re missing the larger point. You dont have to have anything to hide for it to be an issue. They can now blackmail you for things they know about you, track you, use targeted advertising, listen in on your conversations. Hell, if there was a need to make you look guilty of a crime, with all the data on you, it wouldn’t be that difficult to do.
Doesn’t even get into the issues of fighting back against oppressive government, which isnmuch more difficult to do if they’re constantly spying on you.
But, you’re right, nothing to hide, so it’s not a big deal I guess.
Also, as long as people perceive it as a net benefit they’ll put up with all kinds of privacy invasions. Being part of a society is always a tradeoff of certain liberties for certain securities.
Just you wait until insurance companies start charging you extra because you go to McDonalds once a month, or because you drive 5 miles over the speed limit sometimes. Or your ex wants revenge and pays someone on the dark web to get dirt on you so you lose custody of your kid. So much stuff can go wrong, and we shouldn’t take it lightly.
If you think you have nothing to hide, you’re not using your imagination enough.
This place (the fediverse) is a circle-jerk of FOSS and paranoid privacy nuts: This comment has been a sane reference point.
I feel like one of the issues is that there’s just no good regulations on data. I don’t mind the ideals behind some of the things that are happening (better ads for Internet tracking, better designs from data derived from the telemetry in cars), but much of this doesn’t have the same kind of regulation compared to say, medical data, which makes trusting these companies with the data very hard.
Then they act all butthurt when they get debt collectors harassing them on social media, or repos using location data to repo a car with missed payments, lol. All the J6 people are a great example of people fucking around with tech and committing crimes, then finding out belatedly :)
There’s lots of good, non-crime reasons why you might wanna protect your personal data, so you don’t get your identity stolen, your wife thrown in jail for an accidental pregnancy, or being any flavor of queer in a regressive state.
In the case of cars there isn’t really an alternative. The study the article cites looked at a bunch of different manufacturers and found the all sucked for privacy.
Same. I’ve been slowly adding more and more smart devices to my Home Assistant instance and seeing it all interact is super neat. That said, the search for products that work 100% local and don’t depend on the cloud is a total pain, outside of some products using the Zigbee standard and such.
Zigbee and z-wave is the way to go, yeah. They work completely local and disconnected from the internet (in fact, they cannot directly connect to the internet).
Its sad. I LOVE the concept of smart devices, the fact that you can do things so much more conveniently with little interaction. They can absolutely be done without being privacy nightmares, but apparently companies are not interested in that.
And apparently neither are consumers
I don’t care about my data. I have nothing to hide. Haha they can have my data if they want.
Literally everyone i know
You’re missing the larger point. You dont have to have anything to hide for it to be an issue. They can now blackmail you for things they know about you, track you, use targeted advertising, listen in on your conversations. Hell, if there was a need to make you look guilty of a crime, with all the data on you, it wouldn’t be that difficult to do.
Doesn’t even get into the issues of fighting back against oppressive government, which isnmuch more difficult to do if they’re constantly spying on you.
But, you’re right, nothing to hide, so it’s not a big deal I guess.
I think the post you replied to was sarcasm.
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Looks like that was someone else. Ooh, can’t escape the sarcasm police…
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Also, as long as people perceive it as a net benefit they’ll put up with all kinds of privacy invasions. Being part of a society is always a tradeoff of certain liberties for certain securities.
Finally a coherent comment on privacy!!!
Just you wait until insurance companies start charging you extra because you go to McDonalds once a month, or because you drive 5 miles over the speed limit sometimes. Or your ex wants revenge and pays someone on the dark web to get dirt on you so you lose custody of your kid. So much stuff can go wrong, and we shouldn’t take it lightly.
If you think you have nothing to hide, you’re not using your imagination enough.
This place (the fediverse) is a circle-jerk of FOSS and paranoid privacy nuts: This comment has been a sane reference point.
I feel like one of the issues is that there’s just no good regulations on data. I don’t mind the ideals behind some of the things that are happening (better ads for Internet tracking, better designs from data derived from the telemetry in cars), but much of this doesn’t have the same kind of regulation compared to say, medical data, which makes trusting these companies with the data very hard.
Then they act all butthurt when they get debt collectors harassing them on social media, or repos using location data to repo a car with missed payments, lol. All the J6 people are a great example of people fucking around with tech and committing crimes, then finding out belatedly :)
There’s lots of good, non-crime reasons why you might wanna protect your personal data, so you don’t get your identity stolen, your wife thrown in jail for an accidental pregnancy, or being any flavor of queer in a regressive state.
In the case of cars there isn’t really an alternative. The study the article cites looked at a bunch of different manufacturers and found the all sucked for privacy.
Vote with ya moolahhh
Same. I’ve been slowly adding more and more smart devices to my Home Assistant instance and seeing it all interact is super neat. That said, the search for products that work 100% local and don’t depend on the cloud is a total pain, outside of some products using the Zigbee standard and such.
Zigbee and z-wave is the way to go, yeah. They work completely local and disconnected from the internet (in fact, they cannot directly connect to the internet).