I think a lot of people are overthinking this. She’s supporting Biden because as of today the battle is “over”
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/09/biden-house-democrats-withdraw-nominee
No use falling on swords anymore, apparently.
This is going to be awful though, as Biden is going to get demolished in another debate, and it’ll look terrible if he refuses.
- One House Democrat who was in both meetings said: “Most of our caucus is still with him … meaning he’ll stay in. Which sucks for our country.”
Pretty sure ballot rules and campaign finance laws are a big reason why it is too difficult to switch.
Harris would have access to the funds from their campaign, she’d essentially inherit Biden’s war chest. That’s part of why she’s the logical choice, she can actually use that money to hit the ground running in terms of spreading whatever message they need to get out in the event the candidate changes.
AOC is definitely a voice in politics I’ve come to respect. I can assume pretty confidently that her opinion is well founded and with the right intentions… if she thinks Biden is best option at this point, that tells me pretty conclusively that Biden is genuinely the best option at this point.
The debate shenanigans, the age, whatever: all of that is a fraction of a drop in the ocean compared to the shitstorm that would be Trump presidency. It doesn’t matter if any of us like Biden. Do you want a literal fascist running the country? If no, vote Biden. If yes, abstain / vote for literally anyone else.
I wish it was possible to convince trump supporters that he’s literally not on their side
I’ve been making pitches for the libertarian party to my trumpanzee coworkers. It’s a similar flavor of bullshit as the turds the GOP is already feeding them, so they’re somewhat susceptible to it.
No chance in hell I’ll be able to convince them to vote Biden, so burning a would-be Trump vote on the spoiler effect is the next best thing.
I’m sure you’re an excellent spokesperson for ideas you think are similar to maga bullshit.
ideas that are objectively similar to maga bullshit.
When your knowledge of them is bullshit, sure.
You are cute. How far into the shit-filled rabbithole do I have to go into libertarianism before I find your specific flavour of bullshit? Somewhere between rand paul and ayn rand? Or do we go deeper?
Libertarians man. What a fucking joke.
I’m ethically closer to a leftist, but your choices highlight your ignorance but I guess that makes it easier to be smarmy.
I would rather have a Muppet for a President than white trash like Trump.
Fuckos took the worst possible shot of AOC into the article. IDK what’s this mediaite site is, but they seem to present her position as stupid.
Look at how Donald is presented even in articles he’s criticized in.
Yeah the bias is immediately obvious, it’s not even their photo so they very deliberately chose this
Et tu, AOC?
I agree with much of what AOC has to say, but not this. I’ll bet significant money if Biden remains the nominee that we will lose, unfortunately.
(lol whew there is some serious vote manipulation going on around these parts. I hope admins begin implementing some safeguards soon).
I’ll bet significant money if Biden remains the nominee that we will lose
In a repeat of 2016, we found the most beatable candidate in the Democratic Party and ran that person for President. sigh
(lol whew there is some serious vote manipulation going on around these parts. I hope admins begin implementing some safeguards soon).
There is a strong contingent of Blue MAGA on Lemmy. Anything even remotely critical of Our Dear Leader gets trashed, your account gets reported, and people spill out of the woodworking insisting that you are on the personal payroll of one Mr. V. Vladimirovich Putin or possibly the insidious Hand of the Dragon Himself, CCP Supervillain Xi Jinping.
Bad take. Biden clearly isn’t up for the job anymore. If it really was “just a cold” he would be out doing unscripted interviews and reassuring the public that he isn’t too confused to work after 5pm. The fact that he isn’t means his team thinks it’s more likely than not that he can’t actually convince the public that he’s still with it.
Putting someone else in is a risk but keeping him in is a bigger risk. Models are predicting a 60-70% chance of trump winning if the election was run today. This ignores that now the trump team and conservative media will now be pushing the age issue constantly. Who is going to be confident in Biden after he hides away from the public for the next few months and then drops out of the second debate?
Last, I’m deeply uncomfortable with the Democratic Party giving cover to a president that isn’t mentally fit for the job. There was so much talk about following norms and respecting the office of president while it was trump in the white house, but now some dems are openly saying they’re ok with Biden being controlled by his cabinet and family. Even if it all works out and Bidens cabinet runs the country for 4 more years it’s going to cast a long shadow on future elections where republicans can point to Biden as proof that democrats don’t respect the office and don’t even care if the nominee is competent.
Yeah there are some pretty frightening implications to all of this.
So they’re all saying that they’re ok with the president being a puppet but also having absolute authority? Sounds highly, highly abusable.
Who is saying both of those things? Everyone that would support Biden is strongly against Trump’s court’s ruling.
Are they? Almost no one is doing a damn thing in response, while also saying that they would be fine with Biden being president while in a coma. People are literally saying things like that all over the place.
I don’t think people with power to respond to the situation and people shit posting about Biden on the Internet are the same people
I’m sure you’re right. I’m sure that Biden’s cabinet that has been essentially running everything the whole time he’s been in office is just so ready to lose all of their power.
Are you even reading the things I’m saying?
I don’t think you understand subtext.
Someone mentioned it in the thread about Elizabeth Warren supporting Biden. It isn’t odd that smart, anti-wealthy, and anti-Trump at all costs progressives are backing Biden, and wealthy Democrat donors and centrist Democrats are demanding change.
These people see the risk a new candidate would bring. The wealthy just want someone who reflects their image. Either candidate doesn’t really hurt their lifestyle.
It isn’t odd that smart, anti-wealthy, and anti-Trump at all costs progressives are backing Biden, and wealthy Democrat donors and centrist Democrats are demanding change.
The wealthy centrist Dems believe they’re in an excellent position to foist an even bigger turd on the party (I’ve seen Joe Manchin and Michael Bloomberg and - of fucking course - Hillary Clinton floated as “moderate” replacements to Far-Left Super Radical Joe Biden).
The younger and less influential (although hardly anti-wealthy - AOC is a prodigious fundraiser who represents one of the richest districts in the nation) politicians who have already stacked up political favors with the incumbent don’t want to see him casually replaced by an even more obnoxious neoliberal.
That doesn’t make Biden a strong choice. It doesn’t even make him an “anti-wealthy” choice (Biden was fully on board with the Wall Street bailouts under Bush and the Silicon Valley bailouts during his own term). It just makes him the “safe” choice for the AOC-aligned caucus, relative to an even more nakedly corporate convention insider pick.
To be fair “He is in this race and I support him” is like saying “He’s one of the candidates of all time”. It is a milquetoast, borderline sarcastic endorsement.
No kidding, because she knows he’s going to lose, but if he’s unwilling to step down it’s literally the only play she has at this point.
No one is going to come out and pretend Biden is some great candidate, because he’s not. No amount of fake-hype is going to change his chances.
You SEE the fallout from Project 2025 becoming mainstream?
I see the polling that matches up with every lost campaign going back decades.
Was this the same polling that said Hillary was going to win?
No, that polling was taken regarding a different person 8 years ago.
Progressives will be absolutely woodchippered if they did anything otherwise. Prob best to stand this one out and let the centrists fight it out. AOC is as delusional as Biden if she thinks he can win this. Not a great look.
I don’t know who downvotes like insanity around here, I think there is a lot of validity in your take.
There is a cult forming around the denial of the reality around Biden as candidate. The current working term is Blue Maga. Lemmt seems to be a kind of epic enter but it’s the exact kind of thing that when Russian propagandists found it, they were able to create The Donald.
Also note how the vote totals work. Someone makes a “don’t vote for Biden, trust me I’m totally a progressive” post and it immediately gets a ton of upvotes. Someone makes a “hey this whole ‘don’t vote’ thing is kind of stupid” post and it immediately gets a ton of downvotes. But if the post gets big enough, real people balance the vote totals out. The initial votes were just bots/trolls trying to influence the tone of the discussion.
I dont think they are bots. Unless you have direct evidence of that, you shouldn’t believe it. I think they are misguided individuals in deep denial of the reality they are in. I mean one of the biggest members of Blue Maga is the head of this sub. And its IDENTICAL to what/ how r/TheDonald formed, its just that a nation state actor hasn’t swooped in to take advantage of the latent properties that would lead to the formation of a cult.
Unless you have direct evidence of that, you shouldn’t believe it.
That’s a dangerous tack to take.
Such is the consequence of living in a fact based reality as opposed to ones own delusions.
You get to believe a whole lot less because there is actually very little we have evidence for.
BUT!
If we have evidence for it, we should believe it.
Direct evidence is a much higher bar than indirect evidence. There’s a profusion of indirect evidence. Few of us have the capabilities to potentially find direct evidence. And even if we could, we would be expending far more effort researching than they would making new alt accounts.
AOC strikes me as someone who sees the game as is. She won’t endorse anyone but Democratic nominee, presumptive or otherwise.
I mean she’s got her game to play and Biden has his.
She knows she has little to gain personally from calling for Biden to drop out and potentially has a lot to gain if she sides with him and he ends up winning. She’s a savvy political operator and deeply cynical.
It’s definitely the right move for her at this point. If Biden steps aside (or dies) before the election, the Democrats aren’t going to nominate someone who didn’t back Biden. Publicly backing lets her stay on the team, and maybe one day have a shot at the Presidency herself (assuming we get more than four more years before fascism wins).
It’s the right move for her career, anyway.
She’s playing the cynical game of the Democratic party. I don’t know if it will pay off.
But fuck she is WAY better than my gerrymandered representative who is a full corporate military machine.
So I don’t exactly have a better representative to even reference let alone represent me. So I’ll take that cynicism until I can get that changed.
You get the cynicism because you keep taking it, it really can’t change as long as you’re willing to settle.
Catch 22
She’s savvy, but she’s one of the least cynical of the bunch.
She saw how they stitched up Jamal Bowman and chose to protect her job. It’s pretty damn cynical.
She is becoming mama bear sooner that I ever thought possible.
