W. T. F.?!
The movie: “Put Your Soul On Your Hand And Walk”
“The Israeli army said it bombed the house because there was a Hamas officer in there, which is totally false. I know the whole family. It’s nonsense. It’s just so devastating.”
So, this wasn’t even a random bombing. It was 100^100% deliberate precise targeting.
It’s not even shocking anymore.
Thanks Palantir! Great job!..
Yep. Fuck you Isreal.
I’m trying my best not to hate, but people gotta take notice. Straight up genocide and apartheid plus American money is paying for it. I understand some isrealies don’t agree with the genocide and Hamas is kinda holding the Palestinians hostage, but dam it’s a slaughter. It’s easter passover and rammadan, so everyone will pray to justify going back to killing. Gotta love religion as politics to gain profit for those in control.
Israel locks 2.2 million Palestinians in a concentration camp
“Hamas is kind of holding Palestinians hostage”
Well they vote for Hamas like we did Trump and got screwed.
How are people so blind to Israeli colonial efforts is beyond me…
Voted for Hamas is the issue, JFC what was happening 16 years before Hamas? Why is there a nakba in 47?
How did Israel become a country 70 years ago, on who’s land?
These are questions that you superficially glossed over when blaming Hamas and somehow forgot the Israeli military machine commiting genocide for 16 months, adding to 70 years of unjust displacement because the West promised someone else’s lands for zionists
They voted for Hamas and got a regime funded by Genocide Joe carpet bombing Palestinians in a concentration camp.
What does Hamas have to do with Israeli terrorism?
How uneducated are you? The last vote was done in 2006. The median of age in Gaza is 19. Half the people in Gaza weren’t even born when those elections happened. Constant occupation and attacks from the colonial project israel and its right hand, the Palestinian authority, have forced Gaza into this situation, not free democracy.
Exactly, last election and still the same people in charge. Hamas and Nethanyahu have a deep hatred for each other and their fighting with bags of money and so on causes the Palestinians to suffer with the zionist movement
Hamas is the official representative of Gaza. They were elected. They are a government under war of annihilation and occupation.
Hamas is the official representative of Gaza. They were elected.
What makes you say this? Do you not realize this “election” happened all the way back in 2006?
Do you know how long ago that was? 19 years.
Do you know what the median age in Gaza was in 2020 (before this recent escalation in genocide)? 18 years old.
In my opinion 20 years per election might not be an ideal timescale for a democracy.
I’m trying to assume good faith so I’m confused why you’d argue that’s adequate representation?
Do you know what the median age in Gaza was in 2020 (before this recent escalation in genocide)? 18 years old. In my opinion 20 years per election might not be an ideal timescale for a democracy.
It feels a little insane to argue about democracy and representation when it comes to people who have spent their entire lives in an occupied state. It’s like pointing out there’s a brown spot on your lawn while your house is on fire.
If you read through my replies you’ll see me consistently making this point as well.
“Legitimacy” is not a concept that exists in a war zone. The Palestinians are being robbed of the opportunity of legitimate representation by their occupiers.
Israel and the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank have blocked elections since then. But you are right that half of Gazans weren’t even born when Hamas won the last elections.
Israel and the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank have blocked elections since then.
Right, this is the primary reason I would argue that there’s no official representative.
But it sounds as though you’re presenting it to counter the point I was making. Can you elaborate on how this fact legimizes Hamas as an official representative?
But you are right that half of Gazans weren’t even born when Hamas won the last elections.
While that’s correct its even worse, once you factor in the minimum voting age of 18 years old, over 75% of Gazans were unable to participate in the last election.
Hamas aren’t the ones preventing elections. They don’t lose legitimacy just because other parties have illegally halted the electoral process. They’re not the obstacle.
Hamas aren’t the ones preventing elections.
No, we’ve already gone over that it’s their occupiers fault for that
They don’t lose legitimacy just because other parties have illegally halted the electoral process. They’re not the obstacle.
No they do not.
They lose legitimacy over time as it becomes longer and longer since the last election.
75% of the population has never had an opportunity to vote for anyone at all and 50% is too young to have even been born at the last election. I don’t see how we can say these people have legitimate representation despite that.
Okay, so by this logic Israel can revoke the legitimacy of other governments simply by preventing elections.
What’s a good faith argument for a ghetto/prison?
What? There aren’t any?
If I explained to you ghettos are horrific and violate human rights, because as one example among so many other issues we would likely agree on, they strip a people of their right to fair elections and representation in the determination of their future.
And that the fact that Palestinians have not been free to organize, form new political parties and campaign in safe and uncoerced elections is a direct violation of their rights and the party to answer and blame for this is the one occupying them and preventing this from happening…
What are we disagreeing about?
What I disagree with is that an election an entire generation before the present that people alive never voted in should not be held up to represent their current politics and beliefs as a nation.
If you care about the rights of Gazans then the ultimate right is the right of self determination and a right to life. So in that sense you should critically support Hamas in the Palestinian struggle against the settler-colonizers. You want pretty elections in an apartheid ghetto. How about they not have an apartheid ghetto and be integrated into a democratic process? Again, in order to do that they must not be under siege for decades…
If you care about the rights of Gazans then the ultimate right is the right of self determination and a right to life.
Those are two rights.
I believe the right to life is the ultimate right as one can’t access self determination if they are dead.
This is why the genocide takes priority over any worries about legitimacy.
So in that sense you should critically support Hamas in the Palestinian struggle against the settler-colonizers.
I support the Palestinian struggle against their colonizers but I appreciate that you put the word “critically” in their because I do also want to be able to say terrorism isn’t a good response and be able to say it’s wrong when anyone targets innocent civilians intentionally.
You want pretty elections in an apartheid ghetto.
No I want to stop the apartheid ghetto.
“Legitimacy” means nothing in a war zone. There’s nothing to talk about until the bombs stop.
How about they not have an apartheid ghetto and be integrated into a democratic process? Again, in order to do that they must not be under siege for decades…
Yeah how about that?
Haha I’m getting a but frustrated at the reading comprehension on this thread but at least we agree.
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fuck off, we should protect Jewish friends in our lives, even as we protest for palestine, because we have to crush racism whenever we see it.
Who’s saying they shouldn’t be protected? I’m just not going to pay attention to anything like it’s none of my business. Per sipping my tea. I’m just not going to get emotionally invested in any of this stuff.
Keep your antisemitic bullshit out of this. And I say that as a very anti-Israel pro-Palestinian person. You’re making it harder for us to bring Israel’s atrocities to attention. Fuck. Off.
Oh you apparently assume that jewish = supports israel. You’re just like everyone else who conflates antisemitism and antizionism.
Israel conflates them. Then again Zionism is antisemitic.
Yes I am well aware that Israel conflates them. I am saying Cocopanda is just like the Israelis in this regard.
Can you explain how Zionism is antisemitic? That’s quite a hot take.
It creates hate for jews by hiding behind them and speaking in their name.
It is not a hot take.
You will probably find the following equally true statement even hotter: zionism is fascism.
Have some fun: https://zionism.wtf/I find “zionism is fascism” pretty sensible. Hot in the public eye, perhaps, but not such a hot take for me personally.
But your same argument goes:
- White supremacy is racist against white people (because it speaks in their name)
- Nazism are racist against so-called Aryans (because it speaks in their name)
- Male chauvinism is sexist against men (after all, it doesn’t represent all men)
- Pro-choice is anti-feminist; after all, it misrepresents what pro-life women find moral.
I actually do agree insofar as there is a second-order effect that causes harm for some jews – the Star of David is less popular than ever, now! What a shame Israel appropriated it for its flag! – but I just can’t bring myself to agree with the basic premise here. If your movement elevates one type of person over another, you can’t be said to be against that type of person, even if you’re scoring own-goals. In that case, you’re just failing despite your intentions.
I said nor implied any of those things.
Zionism is based upon the myth that everyone hates Jews and that Jews can’t live among other people. I am awfully summarizing what I heard an antizionist rabbi say.
Regardless of whether it is true or false that Jews are a target of hatred, it would not be antisemitic to think that they are. In other words, believing antisemitism exists is not antisemitic. (Personally, I believe antisemitism is absolutely real, but being anti-Israel is not antisemitism. For instance, the KKK excluded jews.)
I also think it’s not antisemitic to think that Jews would benefit from a homeland of their own, despite the fact that antisemites helped create Israel. That’s not the same as believing Jews cannot live among other people.
Whatever it may be, it should have never been made our problem and should have never been right in the middle of the Arab World. But there is a Christian Evangelical and European Colonial aspect to Zionism.
Well yeah, but now you’re saying something very different from what you were saying before. And I agree, Israel was a mistake. Unfortunately it’s a problem that’s hard to fix now.
it should have never been made our problem
The cleaves between the faiths have exsisted there for thousands of years. Israel is a new power, but the participatory Abrahamic religions are not. Nor are most of the peoples there. Its best to remember European Jewish weren’t the only peoples to build up Israel.
I think you’ve gone too far with your comment.
Will it matter to someone who lost most of their family? If not all of them? My family went through a genocide and I know how that anger can fester and grow into unhealthy behaviors. I’ve forgiven the monsters that murdered my family. But I doubt many people can really achieve this. As I took radical steps to see through the hate.
Well… yeah I mean I do actually think people can see past that. I know of holocaust survivors who later became friends with not just germans but even people who were active nazis. If you’re saying the cycle of violence can never end then we don’t really need that kind of negativity around here IMO.
I’m just saying no matter what. Without pure peace. There will always be radicalized individuals that come out of these genocides. Sure a few of us can forgive. But that’s not the norm.
Both sides have to give up fighting. Put down the guns and treat one another like brothers and sisters. Until that happens. It will be an endless conflict.
I suspect that non-radicality is actually the norm, because who can really be bothered. But all it takes is a vocal minority of radicalized people to keep the fire burning, and to flip non-radicals.
No, and fuck you.
Israel will radicalize an entirely new generation from this genocide. If you don’t know what happens to people who lose entire families. Then I would suggest you read up on it.
Until Israel stops their genocide. No one will be safe.
I have experienced Genocide in my own family. Without the proper mental health care. It can become a very toxic and controlling part of your psyche.
But I have said this for 20+ years. Israel will never find peace if they are stealing land and murdering people in their sleep. Just look at the settlers. And what they are doing. This is what radicalizes these people.
Like I told friends who went to fight for the IDF. You’re really not helping by continuing the genocide.
I know what Israel is doing, and I know there will be consequences. Fuck you, for saying you’ll kick back and “sip tea” while random Jews reap “karma”. You’re doing Israel’s work for them. I spit on Israel, and I spit on you.
im sorry to upset you.
No you’re not, your openly cheering on the murder of a demographic for the actions of a nation state. Even the unrelated ones. Even the ones fighting against it. You don’t care, you just see all Jews on the planet as an acceptable target.
You’re not sorry and you’re not ‘healed’ as you like to claim. You are not ok. Ok people don’t do this.
Bro. I’ve worked in anti-terror. I’m a dude that has spent time studying the IRA. I have seen first hand what happens to everyone within a demographic perceived as an enemy. Jewish might not all support it. But terror cells don’t give a fuck. Retribution at all costs. And after decades of trying to warn about this happening like Munich and other catastrophic mass casualty events. They are not getting my sympathy. It’s disgusting that they have murdered Emergency responders.
I live in reality man. I know what this Israeli government is trying to do. Because it’s the same thing the US did to legalize its war on terror in Afghanistan and Iraq. They let their citizens die to progress their hate. Just like they LET the Oct 20th attack happen. Israel wanted Hezbollah to get uppity.
