About the Online Safety Act in the UK and the Digital Services Act in Europe

  • Xaphanos@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    I’ve already said goodbye to “the internet” 3 times. Social media destroyed web 2.0, which destroyed the original web, which destroyed the original Usenet and telnet internet.

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            8 days ago

            Any ideas for that? My main thought is to further develop technology for the anonymous web and get people using it, although probably some form of overtly political activism is also needed

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              some form of overtly political activism is also needed

              yup that’s the idea, the usual proven methods for pressuring the state will work. extending this to the internet in the form of stuff like boycotting, ddosing, and general disrupting might prove interesting too.

              we just need the people organized for this first, that’s the hard part. that will probably have to happen outside the internet first though.

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          It’s also much bigger than it was back in the day.

          Even a fraction of a percent of people using decentralized services is probably bigger than the early web ever was.

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          Let start from root of problem. Network with name internet entirely centralized and controlled by specific companies and people.

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          9 days ago

          If someone has a suggestion/link on how a decentralized web grows past DNS I’m all ears.

          • PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au
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            Something like Lemmy could form a pretty good foundation. Onion routing already has created a “parallel internet” that depends 0% on DNS, and Lemmy instances would federate today (with whitelisted federation) via /etc/hosts with no DNS involved. It wouldn’t work well, it would have problems, but if someone actually tried to make it work moderately well, the whole model of “admins running servers which it’s your problem to get connected to, and then they know how to federate to each other because all the admins talk with each other” could work itself around over time into something that actually had some pretty strong robustness to it.

            There are other attempts (Holepunch, Freenet, all that jazz), but actually Tor and Fedi things probably have the best claims to being able to turn into something realistic that didn’t need DNS, over time. You just couldn’t talk to it until you set your machine up to be able to get the initial connection going, but that’s not fatal, the whole internet used to be a lot like that way back when.

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        9 days ago

        You delete comments & have an emoji for a username. Go back to Facebook or wherever you belong. We don’t want people like you on the “better internet”

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        9 days ago

        I have read maybe half, and the cringe in this piece is intense.

        Imagine plauding Musk’s commitment to maintaining free speech on X.

        I mean, there are problem with the DSA and there are plenty with Online Safety Act, but maybe try to SIMP for fascist Big Tech a little more discreetly?

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    The UK populace doesn’t get nearly enough shit for all of the bullshit they have caused. They are the fucking Alabama of Europe.

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      9 days ago

      The ruling British class, sure. The average British citizen is impacted by this, rather than enacting the change though.

      It’s kind of like how a select few people in the states decide healthcare shouldn’t be affordable, and everyone else just has to accept it; despite living in one of the richest countries in the history of the human race.

      The reality is both nations have the same group of people pulling the strings behind the scenes; anyone who believes they have any say in either country is either not paying attention, or an idiot.

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    9 days ago

    “What we are witnessing right now is the death of the free internet and the birth of a new digital dictatorship. No longer can we be trusted to decide for ourselves what content is appropriate or correct. Everything must instead be filtered through the state’s definition of ‘safety,’ telling us what is safe to say, see, or believe. Under the guise of protecting children and fighting ‘hate,’ governments are creating the most comprehensive censorship apparatus the West has ever seen.”

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      8 days ago

      Nothing to do with the states definition of safety, but just an excuse to do more surveillance and collect more data.

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      I can’t help but think this could have been avoided if people would take some responsibility and turn on parental controls for their kids. 90% of the shit they’re trying to “protect the children” from would be invisible and they wouldn’t have this trojan horse stuffed with fascism.

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          Hard agree. My point was that the “safety” premise would be unworkable politically if so many people didn’t just let young kids loose with unrestricted smartphones in the first place.

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    8 days ago

    Bender-Meme:

    *Selfhosters: I build my own Internet With Blackjack and Hookers

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      You joke but it would be great if we could restart the web. No bots, no corps, you have to be a nerd to get in. Maybe some specific protocol where you need a certain modem to access it, to keep other people out…

      Maybe this is what the dark web is? I haven’t dabbled.

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        7 days ago

        Elites abandoning a world they judged unworthy in favor of vendor lock-in sounds pretty dark to me

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            Ah, I’m not giving a full picture there. Technically you can use layered encryption like tor uses on the clearnet. Tor additionally exposes tor-only services that route exclusively via tor’s onion routing (not just http wrapped inside an encryption onion).

            i2p works differently under the hood, but the shared piece is exclusive services, only accessible through a non-standard protocol. That’s how you’d get a different web. Unless we’re talking physical layer stuff.

  • merde alors@sh.itjust.works
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    this community is dead, the day Canada, U.S. and Eu asks lemmy to “verify” our ages

    or we’re all on a vpn connected to a server in ??? Mongolia?

  • Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca
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    Personally I believe the world was a better place before the Internet existed. It was more personal, more local. The billionaire tech class was created by the Internet and are actively damaging the world for their own personal gain. Good mental health is almost non-existent for those who are always online - and that is a purposeful construct so that they will be online more and create even more revenue for the tech billionaires. The initial romantic notion that the internet would provide education and information and connection has been dwarfed by the damage it has caused. The most ‘internet raised generation - Gen Z’ is notoriously disconnected and isolated compared to previous generations. In short, if the Internet ceased to exist tomorrow, a decade from now the world would probably be a better place.

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      The billionaire tech class was created by the Internet and are actively damaging the world for their own personal gain.

      I hate to tell you but there were billionaires and multi-millionaires way before the internet and they were damaging the world horrendously for greed and personal gain. They even have this system structured around allowing them to do that called capitalism.

      So no the internet didn’t create that. Capitalism created that. Just as it created the climate change denial oil industry and the people who made money off of destroying the planet with that and would still be doing so without the internet. Just as it made dishonest press barons who loved Nazi Germany such as Randolph Hearst way before the internet existed and for a more modern example Rupert Murdoch. Just as before that it created incentives to hide and denial tobacco caused cancer or that asbestos caused cancer and other diseases or that lead poisoned us especially children. And on and on. Or the Triangle Shirt-waist fire and thousands of incidents just like that around the world where people are killed in poorly maintained factories kept that way out of greed. Or companies that pump poison into the water and air because it’s cheaper. I could go on forever.

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        Yeah I’d say capitalism ruined the Internet, rather than the other way around. Early Internet was janky but amazing

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          I see the modern internet as sometime in the early 2010s when YouTube shifted heavily towards monetisation and changing up the UI for that, Facebook started to shift from VC money to monetizing the platform culminating in its post-IPO super monetization. Facebook buying Instagram and then eventually monetizing it heavy with advertisements

          Facebook IPO, YouTube profitability push from Google, Instagram profitability push from Facebook. That all came together to birth the modern online influencer. An incredibly fast rapid shift from a short decade of body acceptance and mild movements against over consumption to now 6th graders have skincare routines and therapy shopping seems bigger than it has ever been

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      The billionaire tech class was created by the Internet

      No. You had tech billionaires before the internet as well.

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      I thought I was the only one pondering on this. It’s been a wild ride and I’m so glad I got to take part in the 90s, when web 1.0 was wild and free. What a blast that was.

      But it’s over now, we’ve ruined it, like we ruin everything, and I hope soon we’ll all be collectively ready as a species to dance on the grave of our dead internet.

      F

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      I had such high hopes for the internet, I met and spoke with people from all over the world, real life was obsolete so I put all my time into being online because it was so much easier to talk to people and make friends online back then. I made a huge mistake.

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      Yeah. I can’t stay away completely, but it is unquestionable how much better I am in general when I spend more free time outside versus in front of a screen.

      Edit: I don’t mean to make screens sound like the bad guy. It’s more about engaging all of your senses and interacting with 100% of your immediate environment, rather than keeping your vision and mind focused on the 24/7 fire hose of only the 0.001% most potent triple-distilled negativity sourced from the entire fucking planet.

      The internet is like having omnipotence but only for the knowledge that messes with our brains. We don’t get to see all the nice shit from across the planet 50x a day.

  • Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world
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    Wait I don’t understand. Did they cancel https? How about ftp? Ssh?

    Or are they requiring some half baked bullshit in a browser to catch the lowest common denominator?