• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    6 days ago

    Yes, but people also see the truth.

    People see information weighted by quality of presentation and volume of utterances. “The Truth” is not self-revelatory nor is it self-reinforcing, particularly for a lay person. There are whole philosophical treaties that break this down.

    Where are the riots? Where were the protests as Republicans red mapped? Why did they stop? Where was the blowback when Florida didn’t give felons their right to vote back? Where are the riots when Republicans vote to remove the ability of citizens to add initiatives to the ballot?

    You have to ask, you haven’t bothered to look. We had a Jacksonville man arrested after he tried to run over a pack of protesters in his neighborhood in June. We had a Texas congressional candidate tackled by police in the middle of a legislative session just last week. Over 3,200 students had been arrested on campus in the spring of 2024. The riots in LA have been happening for months.

    But the fact that you seem to be willing to deny the existence of ongoing domestic protests - flare ups that have been stretching back decades in this country - sort of illustrates the problem of “the truth of climate change”. You’ve blinded yourself to crowds of people who may well be marching through your own neighborhoods. These are massive crowds of people who get regular news coverage, not obscure 19th century climatologists who go unmentioned save in the fine print of Wikipedia articles.

    Correct my misunderstanding, but this tells me you have given up

    If I had given up, I wouldn’t be blaming random Boomers on the current state of affairs. I don’t believe an entire generational cohort is irredeemably stupid.

    • fafferlicious@lemmy.world
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      6 days ago

      “The Truth” is not self-revelatory nor is it self-reinforcing, particularly for a lay person.

      It is not self-revelatory, but there are objective truths. If a lay person lacks the expertise to understand, they should defer to experts - not politicians or pundits.

      Falling for propaganda is a reason, but it is not an excuse. The electorate has a responsibility to be informed.

      You have to ask, you haven’t bothered to look.

      I’m incredibly proud of what has been happening in my home city of LA. That’s what we fucking need everywhere. Burn cities down until things change.

      But fair point! I was being more rhetorical and less literal. But that’s my miscommunication error. My question wasn’t to say they don’t exist or haven’t happened. I asked it to highlight that it isn’t enough. That for the magnitude of what is happening and its importance, the response is impotent and not proportional.

      The world is increasingly on fire (almost literally). I’m living in a downtown metropolitan area minutes from city hall and protests are not daily.

      I don’t believe an entire generational cohort is irredeemably stupid.

      Nor do I. I never said that. I said I blame them for their willful ignorance and their decision not to prioritize climate change politically.

      My position is simple. More could have been done, and because of that, we share blame and responsibility - however small. This is why I also blame myself.

      Anyway, I think we’ve kind of hit a natural end. I appreciated our conversation, and it’s given me some things to mull over.

      Thank you❤️