Do they have the equivalent for Lemmy?
E: Found it using Kagi… It just wasn’t turned on for me.
I love Kagi and gladly pay for it. Nice devs too.
I’ve used them about a year and glad to see this kind of improvement. They are not perfect but still much better than the free options so far.
Only concern I’ve had has been around the AI stuff they are providing… So far it’s optional and a separate piece from the normal search. Time will tell there I suppose.
At the very least their AI Integration Philosophy has a good and nuanced view on the topic. So as long as they actually stick to that those ideas when integrating features it should be fine.
good stuff! this is the exposure we need
Kagi is goshin’ awesome.
Does anyone still think their data isn’t being sold even if they pay for a service? Plus now it’s associated to your payment information. These are the same guys that spent all their runway funding on Tshirts, I don’t think they’re the sharpest knives in the drawer.
You can use privacy pass and pay in crypto
I’m not fathoming what Privacy Pass gains you, it’s tokens generated from your account, the chain of possession is obvious throughout. The tokens get used up and removed from your account and the logged-in browser extension generates more, but there’s no “privacy” involved there.
Fair enough on the crypto.
You obviously didn’t read how privacy pass works
The tokens can’t be traced to the account and are batch generated so you can’t be deanonymized by correlation. They aren’t stored in the account, but locally, in fact Kagi can (and they say they will) just sell the tokens directly, as they aren’t linked at all to an account
Baseless.
I use Yandex a lot now for not censoring me. Maybe I’ll have to try this.
I’m not a spy or part of the government, but Yandex is Russian… I tried them like 10 years ago, but I wouldn’t take my chances with them.
“Paid search engine” <— no thanks.
There is a free trial and there was 1 month for free 2 months ago. You can try it and see if you think its worth the price
I tried it and i personally believe its not worth the price, but testing it is better than just refusing the concept from the start
Suit yourself. They aren’t perfect but I find value in them so far.
freemium pls :cry:
although good freemium examples like proton mail for example seem too good to be true with free vpn and all the jazz. always such a shady feeling when using such services
They have a trial for 100 searches iirc. And they also occasionally share referral links to subscribers that are 3 month premium subs to share with friends so they can try
This is how I discovered I search around 20 times a day. Burned through it pretty quick haha
If you’re not paying, you’re the product.
I’m not paying for my self hosted searxng and I have more control over my search than any kagi user.
Well you are paying for the hosting you’re just not paying for the service
It’s very lightweight, any toaster could run a single user searxng instance.
That’s only when doing business with corporations, but there’s also the option of open source (e.g. SearxNG).
Or do you consider yourself the product when using Lemmy?
Do you think Lemmy is free? Your admin is paying, and trusting you to donate to help out.
Ironic considering the pinned post on .world is the admins asking for donations and pretty much everyone is saying “no”
Uh, what a weird message. It’s not only unrelated to what I said but it reads like an attempt to twist my words. On top of it, it’s totally wrong: Lemmy is free. I can self host Lemmy on a raspberry pi for exactly 0€.
The instance I use… Is also free. I donate because I choose to, but if my friend can’t afford to donate they can still use the instance. Nobody is profiting from it.
What I did talk about is products and doing business with corporations. With Lemmy there’s no product, whether you pay or not. With SearxNG (which many people self host, and again, is free) you’re not the product, regardless of how much you pay.
That’s what I was replying to - your comment is way off the mark and very condescending: I don’t need to be mansplained that I should donate to the software I already donate to. Note donate rather than pay for.
Lemmy is free. I can self host Lemmy on a raspberry pi for exactly 0€.
Dang, where can I get a free Raspberry Pi and internet connection? That sounds awesome!
The instance I use… Is also free. I donate because I choose to, but if my friend can’t afford to donate they can still use the instance. Nobody is profiting from it.
This is exactly my point. It’s like when people call it “free healthcare”.
Fine for you. I’m just glad there’s an option besides “sell your soul” and “invest hundreds of hours and dollars into self-hosting”.
Upvoted.
I have a counterpoint to those claiming that paid are better. By using a privacy oriented search engine, then they don’t know exactly who you are. In theory just your IP. Maybe fingerprinting.
When paying they know exactly who you are. You have to trust them.
So in one case you can protect yourself, in the other you have to trust them.
Also, Kagi also uses the Russian index Yandex 😑
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Log into browser extension with kagi account
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generate tokens
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use said tokens
How does this ensure privacy? The tokens are associated to your account from the start.
There’s a link in the second paragraph to the technical details, including source code for the implementation and documentarion for the required infrastructure.
But the tl;dr is that the tokens aren’t associated to your account. Unless you were able to snoop on the original request that generated the tokens (in which case, you’ve got bigger issues!), there’s no way to prove that a token is related to a specific account. A token only proves that an authorization server once granted access to some account.
Edit: Wikipedia has a good intro:
Non-interactive zero-knowledge proofs are cryptographic primitives, where information between a prover and a verifier can be authenticated by the prover, without revealing any of the specific information beyond the validity of the statement itself.
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Interesting, thanks for sharing
