Reddit is ending Reddit Gold and users are furious::undefined
Remember kids, don’t let the news tell you how to feel. Watch out for words in the title like “outrage” and “furious”. Anger increases engagement and they know it.
Yeah internet “outrage” is a weird thing.
I scrambled 10 years of my reddit activity, which would appear to be outrage. But in reality it was more like “meh, well reddit sucks now, I guess I’ll go somewhere else. I’ll just remove whatever value I may have added to the site on my way out since I don’t want to reward a corporation for bad behaviour.”
I guess some people may be outraged, and they’ll be the most vocal ones. But most people are probably like “this kinda sucks, but meh whatever” and move on. You just don’t hear a lot from these people.
We could use AI to remove the clickbait from headlines automatically. 🤔
That’s a fun idea 💡
I’m gonna make an outlandish prediction that Spez will no longer be CEO of Reddit Inc within the next six months. He’s made some incredibly bone-headed decisions and if the IPO does happen, Reddit are either going to be valued really low to the point where they could face a hostile takeover from a more competent tech giant, or Reddit’s existing shareholders are going to oust him in a revolt.
Either way, Spez has pissed off a lot of angel investors and has driven a good chunk of people towards Tildes and Lemmy. When this place (and other Lemmy instances) looks like an increasingly viable alternative to Reddit, it’s going to eclipse the main site once we get decent apps like Sync and Boost.
some execs get hired specifically to do all the negative stuff so they can be a lightning rod of ire
And then theres spez, who does it for no other reason than being a child molesting piss drinker
In early June, there was like 300 users on Lemmy.
I still browse it occasionally through libreddit (private front end that still works with their anonymous API for some reason) and they’re still getting thousands of upvotes and comments on /r/doordash posts. People are hopelessly addicted.
Honestly, not furious. But I guess I don’t count as a reddit user any more. Still, did anyone ever care about these features?
For me these already came in after I wished the reddit devs would just do maintenance.
on one hand, reddit gold is useless and a waste of money imo
other hand, they just keep going for making the most controversial decisions with zero thought lmao
reddit gold used to be how the community helped with server costs back when reddit had only a few employees
I still have my reddit account, only to malicously mod one community and update a secret community about a move to lemmy, but I only use reddit now to do a quick check in on those subs and then a glace at the front page.
Anyway, i saw the reddit post and a bunch of people were livid and said they were doing chargebacks now. I informed them that chargebacks cost reddit more money than they initally spent (spend $5 they have to return the $5 and pay a $20 fee), and if tok many users do a chargeback then credit card companies would stop paying them wink.
EDIT: in response to telling people that it would hurt reddit finacially I got a 2 gold and 2 platnium awards which i hope were paid for with chargebacked credits.
EDIT: in response to telling people that it would hurt reddit finacially I got a 2 gold and 2 platnium awards which i hope were paid for with chargebacked credits.
They were probably just throwing leftover Coins they had in your direction.
I know. I’m just saying I hope
It might be that they’ve given up on the visuals and are now making all the changes all at once. They’re ripping off the bandaid overhauling their site and are banking that the damage will be recover in time.
With the current state of dissatisfaction from the community, now might be a good time to plow through and make all the changes that are already undesirable for the old user base.
Maybe even more of these big changes to come? More popcorn for the Fediverse I suppose.
Sure but they could have left the awards in place for a while even if no more could be added. And instead of making everyone lose all the coins they already spent money on, they could have allowed those coins to be used for whatever the next thing is. Just throwing out everyone’s money is never a good practice.
Like what if Minecraft decided they were going with a new monetization strategy and said everyone’s minecoins would expire in a couple of months and any skins, texture packs, etc., you bought with them will also be gone. And no refunds of course.
I don’t get it. Wasn’t the whole API thing supposed to be about money? Reddit is killing one of its sources of income!
That doesn’t even make business sense! What the hell is going on inside Spez’s mind?
I’ve seen rumors that api leaks have indicated that the new thing will be tipping posts directly.
Which is EXACTLY what that site needs - repost bots being financially incentivesed. I guess that’s one way to get your usage back - Reddit started as just two dudes posting links to each other and will end as ten thousand bots reposting those links.
There’s a blockchain-based Reddit clone called SteemIt that I had a cursory glance at. The idea of it is that you can make money (specifically their cryptocurrency) from posts because of how site activity mints more stuff on their blockchain. Unsurprisingly, SteemIt is also unusable and has been astroturfed by spammers.
Reddit would kill their platform overnight if they allowed users to tip posts whilst simultaneously chasing away community moderators.
Likely to each other by the very end
My belief is that they want to tokenize Karma and any other reward/currency will compete against their new tradable currency.
I believe they had already said years ago that the r/CC moons was a test run for something site-wide.
Personally I made $300 after moons first tanked, just from some lame comments in the subreddit that was ruined by the scheme.
I will likely use my 150k+ Karma account for profit if this happens and it won’t be for the benefit of the community like the last decade of my activity used to be.
Lemmy is now where I participate in a positive way.
Talk on the main post on Reddit that discussed these changes is that some of the API change documentation included information on what change will actually happen now that they’re sunsetting coins. Tipping replacing coins and karma having monetary value. If thats true Reddit is truly dead. Read that post and made a Lemmy account!
Because the karma whoring wasn’t bad enough as is. What could possibly go wrong with a scheme like that?
But if they want to throw a bit of money my way to quit, I’m not going to say no either…
What is better than karma whoring? Gallowboobs in industrial scale
Precisely, karma whoring was already rampant and detestable.
reddit’s oldest profession
Yeah, I have a feeling, just based on the fact that I’ve had a lot of posts do really well, that I could make some money from Reddit if they do that.
But I’m not greedy. I’m not rich either, but fuck them, I wouldn’t participate if they asked me.
Take the money and donate to Lemmy? Idk, the way I see it, money in your hands is better than money in Reddit’s hands. Your karma is going to be there anyways, the difference is merely deciding whether Reddit gets to keep the money or not.
It won’t be retroactive, I’m sure. In order to do that, I would have to go back to being an active Reddit user, which I will not do. I am done with Reddit.
Didn’t Reddit gold start as just a user-run bot, that kept a tally of how many times it had been invoked for any particular recipient?
And then Reddit forced the bot to retire so they could offer a paid version. And now they’re retiring their mandatory replacement. Good job Reddit.
That’s what’s great about all these companies. They take credit for, and try to derive value from, things they didn’t actually create. Reddit keeps on talking about “their” data that was created by users, for free, and moderated by other users, also for free. Yet it’s somehow theirs and they can sell it?
Twitter didn’t invent hashtags. They were user created annd eventually incorporated in to the service.
These services add very little value, but they believe they add it all.
Hashtags were invented by the Twitter community. And the @ sign account linking was invented by Twitter third party apps, which Elon musk killed
That story is so common. They destroyed Secret Santa that way. User-run thing that got some traction so they built redditgifts around it, then decided redditgifts wasn’t sufficiently profitable so canned it and took the user-run part down with it.
Waiting for the Lemmy lemon bot so we can award lemons 🍋
There was at least reddit silver that worked this way.
I thought Reddit silver was just an image a user would post if they were too broke to afford gold.
Are people really upset about it? To me it was always pointless, and the few times I got gold and was allowed to peek into r/lounge it was just full of the most insufferable users (just people that thought they were special because they got gold).
I think the point is more that it’s something people paid real money for just to have them rip it away with basically no notice and no replacement.
Honestly, I never liked all the additional rewards they added to the system anyway, seemed really superfluous.
I actually preferred it when it was gold only. No silver, bronze or any of the other 10+ “coins” they had.
You paid for gold to support their server time, you could also give others a month of gold as well - it had a similar feeling to subs and gift subs on a twitch channel. You gave others gold not only to support the servers, but to say, “I want to give you more than an upvote for what you said” it was a way of going above and beyond.
Sure the lounge was crap, but that wasn’t the point, that was an intended reward for donating.
I honestly don’t know why they’re killing it, as it’s a known fact that having a subscription system with the ability for people to pay monthly is a far better, more consistent source of revenue than ads, and it’s less invasive. It’s why musk is pushing twitter blue so hard.
Unless they’re only killing the awards part of it and still allowing people to subscribe to premium, I can kinda see some of the logic in that - by making it impossible to access premium features through gold gifts, you make it so everyone has to access those features by subscribing - the hope is more become willing people sign up to it after losing their free gold. Honestly I think they’re misjudging how much value Reddit premium actually has, especially given the recent alienation by Reddit staff, and therefore removing the ability to give awards is misleading. Sure if premium had more value than it does, it might actually have the intended effect, but I think it’s just gonna result in a precipitous drop in revenue.
Honestly Lemmy kinda does donations better, as it doesn’t turn donations into a fake award you can give other people. Instead it’s just that, you donate, the server stays running and we get to continue having this space. And the admins are actually careful enough to turn off registrations when growth starts to increase too quickly.
It’s almost like spez secretly enjoys Lemmy. Doing the work for us.
That company is so badly run it’s laughable.
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Capitalism is fine as long as people aren’t complete scumbags about it. Rare, I know. It’s a human morality proposition.
Capitalism is great, but it absolutely must be tempered by regulation.
The problem comes when the capitalist gains influence over the regulator, aka, regulatory capture.
Capitalists love regulations and do a lot to make sure financial laws are in their favor and make great use of government handouts they help orchestrate for themselves.
Yes, this is called regulatory capture.
Yeah, Senator Whitehouse actually wrote a book awhile back, Captured, that covers the topic very well. However, that book is also depressing because he illustrates just how fucking rampant it is in the US now.
To be a little more exact, capitalism is great, but only if each person has roughly the same amount of money, no matter what they do. That is what you’re trying to achieve with regulations.
Capitalism could be amazing if the psychos of society didn’t constantly rise to the top then again the same could be said for communism and just about every other system we’ve tried.
That’s because Capitalism rewards exploitative psychos, essentially by design
Doesn’t communism do the same? In fact why the fuck do the crazy psychos rise to the top seemingly everywhere? Is this one of those “nice guys finish last” kinda deals or some phenomenon I’ve never heard of?
It’s because people are too focused on who controls the capital and not focused enough on what the capital itself is actually doing.
It doesn’t much matter whether it’s controlled by a Capitalist or a Communist if the person controlling the capital is a fucking idiot. Hell, it honestly doesn’t even matter that much if they’re smart, because the actual driver of growth has always been competition, which is only very indirectly connected to who controls the Capital, largely because it’s pretty much always been taken at the point of a gun for all of human history and likely will be for as long as we exist unless we somehow manage to decide on post-scarcity society rather than infinite growth society.
It’s because of the concept of successful ambition correlating with the lack of morals or integrity. It just so happens that people ambitious enough to do whatever it takes to rise through the ranks often have to be necessarily immoral to step on people to get to the top.
People who have others’ best interests at heart simply don’t take advantage of the opportunities as often because a number of those opportunities would involve unfairly stepping on someone else.
So to answer your question, yes, ambitious assholes tend to ride faster and further than good people. Kind of like how a large portion of cops tend to be former bullies.
I like to think there’s a distinct difference, summed up like so:
Communism attempts to put the control and distribution of resources (capital) on the collective, ie everyone. Since everyone effectively owns it, it feels like nobody does.
Capitalism puts it on individuals. Nowadays, almost all of these individuals acquired their resource(s) by inheritance. If not, by dubious (morally questionable) means.
This is a simplification that may upset people on both sides, but it’s about as clean as I can think to make it.
Note: the following is from the perspective of a somewhat average person living in the US.
My personal thought is that the democratic republic political system would ideally be coupled with the communistic (I’d prefer federated unions, ie federations, but speaking broadly) economic one. They seem to be natural matches.
However, it seems the coupling of said republic with capitalism causes significant and repeated backslides on social issues and education. Capital owners, after all, are most interested in maximizing gains while minimizing losses; this has led to a fairly high number of people being convinced to think that education is bad, especially university level education. Which, in turn, makes them compliant voters and eager workers, often severely underpaid. Which they, of course, have no idea of knowing since they likely have never left their birth town.
That’s not to say that such things won’t happen with communism. They should happen a lot less, but only if we put controls in place to combat abuse and overreach. In other words, regulations. Capitalism…might be beyond hope at this point, given how capital owners have been acting lately.
I don’t know what will actually end up working, but I hope we try something new soon. Because this ain’t it. Preferably before we extinct more species. Hopefully before we extinct ourselves.
I keep ranting, sorry for the wall of text.
I don’t know what will actually end up working, but I hope we try something new soon.
Personally I don’t think there is a one-size-fits-all solution. Each problem needs a different approach. We need to figure out how to have all these systems work in tandem.
Everything is perfect if the premise is that there are no problems
You’re putting the cart before the horse. Capitalism incentivizes people to be scumbags.
So does any other economic model.
That is an absolutely meaningless statement.
As is capitalism incentivizing people to be scumbags, as trendy as that perspective is.
No, the competitive nature of capitalism definitely incentivizes people to do very shitty things to each other for personal gain. Or have you not heard of the Gilded Age? Or our current climate crisis? Or strike breaking? Or the incredible wealth inequality we are seeing today?
[edit] The Irish Potato Famine? The Bengal Famine? Belgium in the Congo? Sweatshop labour? Coups in South America for the benefit of fruit companies? Wars in the Middle East for the sake of oil? Clear-cutting of the Amazon? Any of this ringing a bell?
i may get some flack for this but i honestly think reddit had it’s best years when alexis was most involved.
Who’s Alexis?
Alexis Ohanian, co-founder of Reddit and married to Serena Williams.
From 2017?
OP mentioned how badly the company was managed. So yea, 2017 saw them take a lot of money, go in a hiring spree… and do jack shit to improve the platform.
Fast forward to now and mods used 3rd party apps to do the job that they do FOR FREE, all while Reddit made… NFTs?
All those users complaining about their coins going to waste and I’m wondering why the fuck you’d ever spend real money on that.
That’s like paying for porn.Entire OnlyFans community furiously typing
You know the company and the users are completely divorced when you read something like that. Redditors have spent years telling each other that awards are useless and a waste of money - then the admins touch it and everybody flips their lid. I for one am glad I’m no longer part of that toxic relationship.
The problem is treating an entire community as some sort of singular entity. People do this shit all the time and make claims like “redditors are so hypocritical” when in reality you have two completely different groups of people saying different things but are both users in the same community.
They are really trying hard to piss off all their users lol
Well, Spez did say he admired what Musk did with Twitter…
What if Spez’s intention all along was to tear down the machine from the inside. Anyone who was on it 10+ years ago could see it had perhaps grown a little too big for it’s britches.
Glass onion, mate. There’s a human psychological blindness to see the rich as fundamentally competent and smart. To believe there are layers to it. But fundamentally, it’s transparent. It’s just incompetence.
I definitely subscribe to Hanlon’s razor, as well as the idea that for every rich person who earned it there’s a hundred, or a thousand, that were given it.
I was just being sarcastic though. I don’t know anything about spez either. I just like to joke about everything.
Are they furious? Sure. But I feel like anyone still on Reddit just doesn’t care what they do, they’ll still be there scrolling.
The worst part is they’re also removing all of the existing gold awards from old posts as well.
I just find that skeevy. It’s imaginary internet crap but someone intentionally went to the trouble and financial expense of putting gold on a comment and it should stay there.
Dude, this is just laughable. For those who are left, what are you sticking around for?
Also, here’s my theory: these idiot product managers, fresh outta b-school didn’t think to interview their most engaged users. Instead, they randomly polled people. That’s the only way I can fathom their takeaway from users was “it’s too much clutter” instead of, “this drives engagement”.
I have 3 reasons I still visit… But I am cutting back.
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My local subreddit is still way more active than the equivalent here in the fediverse (but I do get to interact with some familiar usernames in the local Lemmy community)
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It’s still a decent news aggregator, IMHO, ahead of Lemmy for keeping up with what’s going on in the world at a high level
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NSFW content is still lagging behind on Lemmy, as well … I’m using a revanced app and I’m a mod of my own private sub so it still works but I fully expect this to be killed in the near future… In fact, I fully expect that by the time a reddit IPO happens they will have completely killed all the NSFW subreddits (even on the official app and desktop browser)
The site is definitely in a death spiral but, as of today, I still find it useful for certain things.
Fuck them though… They won’t get a dime in ad dollars from me and the demise can’t come soon enough at this point.
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