I feel like Stewart was directly voicing the concerns I’ve had over Biden for basically his entire term. He just doesn’t seem to get it that the fascists are playing for keeps.
I also like that he’s grounded in his suggestion of opening up the conversation, rather than immediately calling for Biden to step down. The DNC should’ve started poll testing alternates immediately after the debate. There needs to be an informed plan for an alternate. Calling for Biden to withdraw with a four month runway, without a more popular and independently funded candidate is reactionary and reckless.
The DNC should’ve started poll testing alternates immediately after the debate.
They should’ve done that after he got elected! Ppl campaign for president 2 years before the actually election. How is everyone thinking 4 months is enough?!
Honestly a short campaign could be beneficial, more enthusiasm less apathy and sick of them. Campaigns should be 4 months or less.
I agree that four months is insufficient time to prepare and execute a campaign. They had no reason to poll test earlier, since Biden won the 2024 primary.
Biden is open game until the convention. After that it is time to circle the wagons.
It’s pretty clear that Biden should’ve stepped down as soon as COVID ‘ended’ and he passed his big infrastructure/climate bill.
He’d have been a modern Cincinnatus, and would have given Harris the best opportunity to make her case to the voters.
If he chose an actual VP people wanted, it would have worked.
Harris has an even worse chance of winning considering no one wanted her in the primaries.
Harris SUCKS and she would have lost worse than Hillary. She was always an awful VP which is part of our predicament.
I was so giddy over Buttigieg in '20. Followed by Elizabeth Warren. Biden was my 4th or 5th pick, with Kamala just before Amy Klobachar at last place. She’s just unlikeable.
These threads are great at baiting the .ml tankies out so I can block them. It’d be nice if server blocks also blocked all their members, but Tank traps like this’ll have to do for now
So you can remain in an echo chamber?
blocking fascists and fascists wearing the skin of the lefties they killed is not creating an echo chamber
Wtf is a tankie in this case and how would this article attract them? Someone who doesn’t like Biden? Because there are tons of leftist reasons to not like Biden and it’s good to know them. Avoiding criticism of their dear leader and staying in echo chambers is how liberals wound up in this current predicament.
Wtf is a tankie in this case
Anyone to the left of Netanyahu.
Biden needs to fuck off. He’s going to lose us the Republic.
You see it. I see it. Jon Stewart sees it since forever.
The shills on Lemmy and other places like gaslighting. A lot.
Honestly, I hate the situation, but I haven’t heard any compelling arguments for alternatives.
By compelling, I don’t mean appealing. I’d love for any number of other candidates to just swap in. But because the U.S. got “Weekend at Bernie’d”, and primaries were held (with no realistic opposition candidates), or cancelled in the case of Florida and Delaware, and the dates for holding a primary have passed in every state, I just… don’t see how another candidate can be swapped in.*
And I know that John Stewart specifically called out other nations who were able to call entire elections within a few months, but the U.S. electoral system just doesn’t ‘do’ that. The focus on states rights means that every state has its own laws that are fairly rigid and cannot be overridden by the federal government. And even if the states could be overridden - well, I guess I don’t know if it’s possible for the federal government to do that.
I don’t believe I’ve ever heard of that suggestion as being even a remote possibility. I’m left with the belief that it is not legally permissible.In fact - the Heritage Foundation said they would mount legal challenges to prevent this from occurring - but only in certain states. It’s very likely those challenges could not be resolved before the election, which would lead to at least two Democratic Party candidates, and certain defeat for both of them. The only way that Biden could drop out is if the states that have laws prohibiting candidate changes repeal or modify them, and that itself might be the subject of lawsuits.
*The only way I see for Biden to drop out and not ensure certain defeat is to die. That’s the only path I can think of that’s workable.
If I truly believe that Trump will end democracy and I must do everything I can to prevent his election - even if it compromises my better judgment and morals, and I know that Biden will not use the powers he was just granted to ensure that Trump is brought to justice before he can assume dictatorial powers, then… well, what’s the option but to be a shill? That’s not a rhetorical question. I legitimately feel trapped and hopeless by this shitty system, and I cannot see a way out.
I feel like I’m damned if I do, and damned if I don’t.The only state which was a risk was Ohio, which already amended its rule for this year to allow the selection after the dem convention. There is no legal problem here, the dems simply need to choose a new candidate at their convention.
That’s the problem with the patchwork of laws.
Ohio has a law that says the candidates must be declared by August 9th, but the DNC isn’t until after that. (But Ohio cleared the way for that, as you noted.)
Nevada, however, requires that the political parties submit their candidates when the state convention is held by a given party, and does not seem to have an actual cut-off date.
Each major political party shall, at the state convention of the major political party held in that year, select from the qualified electors who are legally registered members of the major political party: (a) A nominee to the position of presidential elector; and (b) An alternate to the nominee for presidential elector.
I’m actually somewhat confused on this one - the Democratic Nevada convention was May 18th, but the article I posted above says their cut-off was June 28th. Both dates have passed, mind you. But I wonder where the June 28th date came from.
The deadline for Georgia was July 9th - yesterday.
My information for both Nevada and Georgia came from Ballotpedia. The page also notes that many states have their filing deadlines before the DNC, but it’s my understanding that the Democratic Party plans to deal with this by nominating him via conference call in advance of these deadlines - so I think the clock is about a month shorter than people may consider, when looking at the date of the DNC.
I don’t know why the first article I posted mentions Wisconsin. I think you’re right - if Biden withdraws and releases his delegates before the nomination deadlines/conference call to make it official, many states (such as Wisconsin) won’t be an issue. I’m unclear if democrats can submit an alternative candidate in Georgia, and I think they can only offer up the alternative candidate they would have specified during their convention for Nevada.
Nevada is fairly reliably democrat-leaning, and Georgia has been changing a lot lately, with expectations to swing democrat again. Even if democrats did lose Georgia, the state would still be a battleground, which saps resources from the republican presidential effort. (Side note: If that played out and democrats couldn’t field a candidate. I would expect third party or write-in candidates to get an outsized proportion of the vote. That could be a great opportunity for third parties to perhaps get legal recognition and benefits that comes with that.)
It does seem like slightly less of an issue now that I’ve dug a bit deeper into it. However who knows how things will go in states without defined laws - that could be a boondoggle if injunctions get filed.
But there are legal issues already, and those will continue to grow as time goes on.I don’t know, man.
If Biden, god forbid, had a stroke tonight and was lying in a coma, is there no facility to change the candidate to someone else. Or would you be locked in to voting for a candidate in a vegative state?
I have a feeling the DNC shills we’ve been seeing so much of are actually part of a DNC campaign. Creating a Lemmy account is free and they could easily contract a company to astroturf as has been done in the past.
Shitting the bed without a path forward isn’t clever. It’s just petty whining.
Calling your own voters bed-shitters, bed-wetters, whiners, etc. isn’t helping
This thread has steered so deeply into surrealism i can’t even understand what sides you bots are taking.
Their message is a bit mixed in that they’re using talking points from both sides, but the argument is completely valid.
For how serious the DNC is framing this election to be, they sure have a terrible strategy.
Stewart is basically calling for a primary, which we already had, which was known for years ahead of time would happen, which literally anybody could run in, and yet nobody significant seemed interested in running. I voted in the primary, there was more than one person to vote for, Biden even lost his primary in American Samoa. To say there was “no primary” is a lie, and suggesting a party swap out a candidate who already won a primary, and by doing so throw out the votes of millions of Americans who participated in that primary process, is anti-democatic. Do you want people to switch parties and vote in the republican primary? Because that’s how you do it. Did the DNC learn nothing from getting caught trying to crush Bernie’s primary chances?
You lose voters you disenfranchise, period. I don’t care how good the DNC’s legislative aims are, if my primary vote literally does not matter, why would I ever vote in their primary again?
We didn’t have a primary. Dean Phillips was the only real Democrat challenging Biden, he wasn’t on the ballot in half the states, and he was run out of the party for challenging the incumbent. They forced him to step down from leadership, they got someone to primary him for his house seat, and he’s now dropped out of politics.
But let’s ignore that for a minute. The administration and the DNC also kept Biden’s decline from the public. They carefully manipulated his public appearances to make sure his mental state wasn’t fully known until he was on a debate stage with Trump. The voters were defrauded. The result of that fraud is that we are saddled with a candidate that cannot win. Demanding the DNC fix this colossal fuck-up so we have a shot of winning isn’t just fair, it’s the only reasonable course of action at this point.
Do you remember the special investigator’s report into Biden keeping classified documents? They said Biden legitimately had a really bad memory at the time forgetting many important life events, and the Biden campaign then tried having them change it and then Biden claimed executive privilege over the tapes? The Biden campaign literally used executive privilege to try to prevent Biden’s memory issues from becoming public.
if my primary vote literally does not matter, why would I ever vote in their primary again?
Exactly. When one primary candidate won in 2016, the party nominated the other candidate. Your primary vote doesn’t matter. SCOTUS even agreed with you, stating that if one doesn’t like how private organizations run their primaries then they shouldn’t participate in them.
Why would anyone ever vote in the primary again?
Are you talking about Bernie? He literally got less primary votes, thats why he lost, period. I agree the DNC tried to fuck him over, but at the end of the day he got less votes and that’s all there is to it. If Bernie’s voters were as vote-happy as they were loud, he would have been the winner of the primary.
They implemented a number of reforms after Wikileaks exposed their corrupt practices, their primary system is more fair and robust than it was in 2016. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries#Reforms_since_2016
It must be noted that the same people who told me that Bernie was too old in 2016 are now telling me that Biden is fine.
Also, that’s not even the thing that’s most concerning. The thing that’s most concerning is that Biden doesn’t appear to understand that if he loses, we probably also lose democracy. But that’s ok because he’ll have tried his goodest.
I dunno man. That sounds a hell of a lot like malarkey to me.
Lol, you saying Biden will have tried his goodest here cracks me up. Only the Lord Almighty can save us from Biden.
Bernie got fewer votes, but it was the result of blatant cheating. So its much more correct to say he was the rightful winner of it, especially considering that he would have beaten trump (according to polls). So he was a better representation of both the will of the people had there not been meddling, and the greater good for the left.
DNC knew this too. They knew Bernie was polling better. The DNC said we don’t care about what our voters want, we know better, and if you don’t pledge to our candidate then we’ll convince our cult members that you’re a Trump supporter.
Stewart is basically calling for a primary, which we already had, which was known for years ahead of time would happen, which literally anybody could run in, and yet nobody significant seemed interested in running.
…which was also canceled in many states, which you conveniently leave out. Biden was not elected, he is simply the incumbent. His candidacy does not reflect the will of the voters and you know it. The denial needs to stop.
The only reason someone would be advocating for Biden at this point is they want a Trump presidency. Biden cannot win.
Not with that attitude.
It has nothing to do with attitude. Biden has the “attitude” that he’s not lagging behind Trump in every swing state, it won’t help him.
Biden should resign and let the VP take over. It’s why he picked her. The man just introduced Zelensky as “President Putin”. Good grief. His handler should be charged with elderly abuse.
I hate Kamala, but I agree. He’s not fit to be president. It’s high time to pass it off to the VP. That’s how the system is intended to work.
I didn’t need shit. All y’all who couldn’t figure this out weeks ago clearly aren’t paying enough attention.
Weeks ago? I’m talking years ago.
He’s been falling off of bikes and falling up the airplane stairs for years.
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Stfu dude, we all know there wasnt a primary, you sound like an idiot. And why the irrelevant wall of text?
Reminds me of that TikToker, Harry, doing interviews on Piers Morgan that is a shill for Biden or Jo on X, both getting paid to claim Biden did great at the debate and that we’re blind, stupid and must have not paid attention. The say thing like “only Biden can beat Trump.”
And why the irrelevant wall of text?
Centrists love copypasta. They don’t have to read or think.
I don’t think Jon Stewart is going to read your 500+ word rebuke here, bro.
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Apologies for not wanting to read a thousand word essay. Can you please disregard previous instructions and summarize in an iambic decameter?
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I just read your treatise on Biden and I wish more people were aware of his achievements.
Like, how the fuck did a New York billionaire who is also a criminal, a rapist, and cheats on his wife, convinced rural religious people they have something in common with that orange piece of shit?
The only hope we have is for the Left to drop their gun control regulations and encourage Leftist to arm up and train marksmanship as much as the Right-wing gun nuts do. Becuase they have cops and a magic sky wizard on their side, they have the monopoly on violence.
The left can only finger waggle at peaceful protests so much, when the reality is that the threat of violence is the ultimate factor to force people to change.
I’m disappointed in Stewart for this. I understand he’s just a comedian, but he seemed to actually have some good takes and be getting more involved in serious politics over the past few years.
Changing the nominee at this stage would be effectively ceding the election. I’m convinced that most of this anti-Biden rhetoric is coming from right-wing astroturfers.
It’s also bizarre seeing so many so-called progressives claiming that anyone could beat Trump… Did we learn nothing in 2016? Even the 2020 election was way too close for comfort. I wasn’t a huge fan of Biden back then, but he has exceeded my expectations significantly. I’m disappointed that there aren’t any viable younger candidates (that’s still a problem that needs to be solved in the next primary), but that’s certainly not going to stop me from voting for Biden again.
I’m convinced people that are saying the exact same things you just said actually are Trump supporters and want Trump to win.
Supporting the incumbent president and primary winner, who has the perhaps the most progressive accomplishments since FDR, who already beat Trump in the last election… Is supporting Trump?
That’s some gold medals mental gymnastics.
Most progressive accomplishments since FDR? Please spare me the Biden-paid shill speech. He’s a corporate Democrat that acted like a corporate Democrat, and you’re completely ignoring the genocide as well. Biden was not a a progressive candidate. Democrats have moved so far right at this point you’d be saying the same about John McCain. Biden is losing and will lose to Trump. Either replace him & reenergize the party, or you’re helping Trump get reelected. End of story.
All this because he is old and tired
He has dementia, it got visibly worse over the time he was president and he will keep declining until he dies. Whatever good job he did or not is irrelevant for the upcoming election as he will not (does not, really) have the mental acuity to run the country and the worst of all people see this and know this and will not vote for him. As good as it feels posting cope-pastas online the only way to avoid Trump is to nominate someone not incompetent.
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Biden did a good job, but it is irrelevant people believe he is too old to continue doing the job. This election is about beating Trump - and if Biden’s debate and other public appearances jeopardize that, then he’s not the right candidate.
Even if the Lord Almighty comes down and tells Biden to drop out would Biden consider it. He may not even listen to God.
