They are so good at advertising Linux that they have 73% of desktop market share while linux has less than 5% according to statcounter
🤯🤯
Most issues stand, and fuck Windows generally, but honestly I don’t quite understand the issue with dropping support for older versions of Windows. Linux distros also do this, so much software does this, it’s just not practical or reasonable to manage all your versions of your software forever.
As others have mentioned, the primary issue here are the hardware requirements for Windows 11. The result are millions of PCs (I guess, definitely a lot though) that are fully functional from a technical point of view, but cannot run Windows 11 and should not run any other Windows due to the security implications of running unpatched software.
And as I’ve replied to many others, that’s a criticism of 11 itself and perfectly understandable. It’s not a reason to seethe at end of lifing. There’s features of software introduced that I don’t like in plenty of things including linux, but I’m not going to get mad that the version I like better doesn’t get supported forever
The reason end of support keeps getting brought up is because the only remaining supported version is currently in a trash state and officially doesn’t support a LOT of hardware still in use.
Windows 7 was still supported for 5 years after 10 came out. Windows 8 didn’t go end of support until last year, 8 years after 10 launched. And keeping in mind that you could have upgraded a machine originally on xp to windows 10, it is hard to not feel like they are doing the entire industry dirty killing support just 4 years after the new os launched, while they are still bogging it down with newer and shittier features like its in beta or something.
The difference is that each Windows upgrade is objectively worse.
Also, even if it wasn’t, a large number of the people who use Windows don’t continue to do so because they really loved Windows, it’s because they’ve always used Windows and don’t want anything to ever change.
So each EoL kicks their asses off their ledge and they have to make the biggest fuss about it, because that is just what using a computer is for them.
It’s just a mentality thing, and not something they’ll readily put into words because it’s clearly futile and churlish.
I don’t think the issue is dropping support, but the ridiculous requirements to upgrade to Win11, plus the fact that more recent Windows have serious enshittification that means users don’t want to upgrade in the first place.
The bottom of the meme is explicitly calling it out. Those issues are valid, but there’s this shift in blame to the concept of support cycles in general.
I don’t think the bottom of the meme suggests that dropping support for old versions is inherently bad. It’s part of a larger image; in combination with the other screenshots it suggests people being forced to have Recall/other Win11 enshittification.
time to expand my blocklist!
Windows 10 has been out a long time. Good luck getting people to move. They are dead set in there ways.
It also doesn’t help that Windows 11 has a terrible reputation
Windows 10 has been out a long time
Yeah, that’s how time works. Yes they’re pushing a move and 11 sucks but end of support is not like that any more than Ubuntu 12.04 is, and that’s been around even longer.
Ubuntu has been end of life for quite some time.
The difference is that the Linux distros won’t force the user to upgrade with annoying popups or similar. The difference is that the newer versions of Linux distros won’t have hardware requirements that will force the user to buy a new Pc altogether and contributing to e-waste.
The newer versions may be bad, but criticizing them for those bad features makes more sense than demonizing the concept of support cycles
I know that this is a Linux community, but this is a good version of Windows if you have to use it: https://massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links
Yeah moved to windows 10 IoT and its prob the best way to experience windows no ads no bloatware installed and support till 2032
Addendum to the comment: mass grave also hosts robust scripts for windows and office activation
Not compliant with Microsoft TOS
I personally would stick with something activity supported and official.
Well screw Microsoft.
Don’t use Windows then
Nah, i’ll use it for the games that refuse to enable anticheat, and I’ll use the LTSC version whether Microsoft likes it or not
Respecting terms of service is for chumps
Mi¢ro$oft is the best at advertising Linux
Recall is not mandatory after all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBqIUkmVel8
Recall and the new file explorer share a dependency, except the file explorer doesn’t mark it as a dependency, so when Recall is removed, it is removed as well. Good job, Microsoft.
Because that’s was a “bug”
Ahh the beautiful wonders of Agile software development.
Fucking incredible.
“That’s just incredible”
Tim Cook
PR trainwreck is strong with this one
Nobody thinks more about Windows than Linux users.
Mostly because Linux doesn’t get in my way and I don’t need to think about it.
Completely reasonably. Half of us are on here specifically to avoid Windows after all
You’re on Lemmy to avoid Windows? You guys can’t help but talk about it!
You avoid Windows by thinking about it all the time?
They are a lot more likely to think about Windows, as they actively decided to avoid using it by moving to Linux. That is in stark contrast to the subset of Windows users that would never give it a second thought, as they are unaware of what an operating system even is, nevermind having an overview of which ones exist and what their respective advantages may be.
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Bro, buddy, compadre, 99% don’t even know what an operating system is
Most of my stuff works on Linux now, so, yay. Currently only thing holding me back from doing a full switch is essentially video editing.
My current go-to video editor is Vegas Pro, and it just works like an extension of me, for me. I’ve tried few editors on linux (kdenlive, davinci) but they’re either very limited/odd/user-error-id10t or just doesn’t support video formats I need (davinci, free version doesn’t support h264 or hevc, and not feeling like shelling north of 300 USD for it). Next up on my testing plate is Shotcut, but haven’t gotten around to it yet.
Check out Blender. It’s primarily a 3D modeling software like Maya or Houdini, but it has an incredibly powerful video editor built into it.
I do use blender quite a bit, but haven’t really used much of the video editor. Last time I tried it CTD’d contantly. If it has gotten stable, reasonable audio tools and gpu accelerated video output, it might be a contender.
I’ve used Shotcut on PopOS.
Worked pretty well for doing something about as complex as a editing together a typical youtube video.
Hell I even managed to get it to support h.265 after some tinkering. h264 and hevc worked as well.
Also, in a similar vein… Krita is basically Photoshop from about a decade ago in terms of functionality, less outdated UI and more functional than GiMP, though its a bit chonkier (memory / CPU intensive).
Krita isn’t a photoshop clone, it’s a drawing program.
Every single time I mention that Krita is basically an older version of photoshop, someone appears and says this.
I never said its a photoshop clone, as in it has parity with modern photoshop.
I said it can basically be used as one would have photoshop from a decade ago.
This is true, no matter whether or not it was ‘designed with drawing and digital media creation in mind.’
If you need something with more options and features than GiMP, or you don’t like GiMPs user interface… Krita works quite well.
I tried a few out and found that Flowblade worked best for me. If you’re only trimming and combining video though, you MUST check out Lossless Cut. It’s ridiculously fast.
thank you for the tip, will check it out.
Essentially what I need is 3+ audiotracks, compressors for each and master. Then annotate with images/text whatever video there is. And yes it’s gameplay videos mostly.
lossless cut not really a concern, but I’d like to have the end result rendered out fast, so nvenc (current hardware) or so would be grand.
But, will expirement!
Sadly Linux lacks central administration possibilities wich is why winass is business standard.
and normies don’t bother learn new OS : (
There isn’t much to learn most need to open work programs and thats it, its mostly a problem with management and convincing the managers of a company to part ways with winass.
Managers are also the worst with computers. And they are the most likely to get viruses.
Recently at work I set up Windows to open spreadsheets and word documents in Libreoffice Calc and Writer instead of Excel and Word. Nobody seems to have noticed yet.
Either that or they don’t know how to change back again.
lol
Doesn’t RH, SuSE, et al have it, though?
Years ago a friend of mine used to run a cyber cafe on Linux, with fully automated remote management. Have we regressed that much from there?
Im not aware of any Active directory type server system for Linux.
Another problem is the second and especially third level support. That is pretty rare for Linux, there aren’t many Linux ready Sysadmins.
- LDAP and / or Kerberos?
- That’s what Enterprise Distros are for (Redhat, SLES, Ubuntu)
- “Linux-ready sysadmins” is a hen-and-egg problem. If people keep maintaining a rotting Windows ecosystem, thus do not establish a market for linux sysadmins, less people will study in that direction.
Nevertheless, from my personal experience, corporate IT in non-software enterprises is full of clueless sys"admins" who just go by flowcharts and if that doesn’t help escalate to Microsoft support, and if they can’t help they close tickets as “use as-is”.
Hey, don’t attack me for it. I’m aware that the admin problem is a hen-and-egg problem but it doesn’t change the fact that the shit show works enough to justify not switching for basically everyone.
Problem with enterprise Linux is that they feel experimental to the people in charge.
(About the AD, yeah, I didn’t know about it to that degree, all the end user systems I manage are winass, even though I manage a number of Linux Servers for specific purposes)
Yeah many in house personal IT from businesses is… Semi capable, they are enough for first and partially second level support, I know some petty good ones but I’m working as a service provider for second and third level support and coordination of specified support (Microsoft, Telecommunications providers, ISP, security management etc.) and I made very similar experiences. But most they do all they is first level support anyway, at last in small and medium sized IT environments.
Honestly I didn’t mean to attack you, I tried to make some suggestions and argue some of your points :) My experience as a tech savvy user is that I regularly have to fight corporate IT for permissions /services that permit me to work at full potential, because they keep offering solutions for dumb users and for windows and microsoft based products only. I managed to break free mostly without being self-employed but it was a long uphill battle with stupid people telling me how IT works…
Linux supports active directory natively and can be joined to a windows hosted active directory domain. It supports centralized policy management as well and in addition there’s a completely open source implementation in: https://www.openldap.org/ supported by RedHat.
Hm, wasn’t aware of that, but that’s probably because I can’t work with Linux on that level, I knew Linux had some AD capabilities but I don’t know how far they go and how scalable they are.
The problematics with the admins is still there however.
Yeah. Microsoft has definitely cornered the market on corporate education for sysadmins.
Hey, don’t you know you need to become a Microsoft Certified Solutions Expert to do business properly?
I really think the cartel offices need to do something against Microsoft.
Using this in a VM to work on some legacy software and it’s definitely a lot better than the standard at the moment
Removing recall doesn’t break file explorer. Removing recall removes a dependency of File explorer for some reason. If you keep the dependency installed it works fine.
While true, this puts a lot of the assumptive burden on a lot of “normal/average humans” that don’t look beyond the desktop or browser to know more about How the OS works. That being said I agree with you and this should be higher.
Maybe they should try firing some more workers.
No issue for me regarding broken windows explorer. Directory opus user since my amiga days :-) Still forced to use Windows for work and well gaming. There are still some tools only developed for Windows, especially work related software coded for my employer were wine is not enough.
Can’t comment on the work / tools part, but while not perfect, gaming on Linux is excellent now. The only Windows system on my network is my wife’s work computer and that’s been the case for years.
Look around, there are loads and loads of Linux open source tools that do the same, just dont have a fancy name.
Not to connect to a certain database at work that is closed source.
it doesn’t let me install linux as dual-boot. I really tried everything you can imagine, always windows boots up
Out of curiosity what’s your use case for dual booting? I know it’s a common choice for new Linux users and I did it too out of fear that I’d be missing something I need Windows for, but I’ve been completely Windows-free for a while and much happier for it. When I did have a Windows partition I never booted into it.
For games, Steam’s Proton works pretty well for most games these days. You can check https://www.protondb.com/ to see if your game works well with Proton.
I’ve also had good experiences with Wine for productivity software. Similarly, you can check https://appdb.winehq.org/ to see how well your program runs on Wine.
Worst case scenario, if you have a decent enough PC, you can always run a Windows VM and that should run more or less anything.
And all of these avoid any trouble with Windows eating your grub install etc
i have a weak laptop, with windows on the m.2 ssd and i’m trying to boot garuda from an external sata2 hdd, connected with an usb adapter. I have many important files on windows, and c# is mostly impossible on linux. I can’t run a vm, because i don’t know how to set up quemu, and my laptop is waay to weak for that
What Windows version is it? >!You should use Win11 IoT Enterprise LTSC. !<
windows 11 pro. No matter what, all windows overwrites grub whatever i do. The only option i have left is to buy a pc and swap the ssds, by physically removing one of them before boot. no other way to dualboot
I have observed that many laptops are hard-coded to boot windows whenever possible. Even with windows bootentry missing, firmware will skip Grub set to first priority and start windows. Only way to make them start Grub is to rename bootmgfw.efi to a different name.
i have msi gf63 thin 9sc. What should i renane it to? and in which efi partition? windows efi or garuda efi?
In windows EFI partition, there will be an EFI/Microsoft/bootmgfw.efi file, I usually rename it to bootmgfw.efi.bak and that allows grub to load.
Can it cause boot issues? i need to boot into windows too sometimes. And which software can i use to browse the efi partition?
Windows will not boot with this method. By renaming the file back to bootmgfw.efi windows will boot again but now linux won’t boot. There is no clean solution, other than switch to different computer that doesn’t have this issue. Because of issues like this I don’t recommend dual booting. Installing only Windows or only Linux is more manageable for not-tech-savvy people.
can that work that i enable windows boot manager and manally add the garuda entry to it?
Never tried that, though a quick search got me this: https://superuser.com/questions/1471937/how-can-i-add-a-bcd-boot-entry-for-linux-in-windows-boot-manager-in-efi
Probably has to do with secure boot and your Linux installation didn’t install a valid shim for uefi to boot it, thus it moves to the next entry which would be Windows.
what do you mean by “valid shim for uefi”? also, secure and fast booting are both disabled
secure and fast booting are both disabled
okay then forget my comment.
can i manually add garuda to windows boot manager?
I believe that could work.
