You have to think at this point the White House is just like two armed camps. The people that work for Putin and the people who work for Netanyahu. Few years ago I’d say they were sharing an uneasy truce, maybe even a burgeoning friendship, but now? God I hope they tear themselves apart.
Don’t forget the 3rd camp of military industrial complexists, just in it to make money bombing whoever wherever
“Very negatively” as opposed to what? Mild negativity?
A stern talking down to?
Watching the divide in republican circles on Iran has been a great way to see who is under Kremlin control. Most are who we already knew: Tulsi Gabbard, Tucker Carlson, Rand Paul, etc.
Yeah the entire US intelligence arm, really any public intelligence period, etc.
I vehemently disagree with those folks you mentioned but gotta say, not wanting to get involved in another war in the Middle East built on outright lies doesn’t make them Kremlin controlled. It’s other things.
I’m just saying that it’s amusing the only anti-war Republicans in the administration and Congress are ones who’ve long looked, acted, and quacked like Kremlin assets:
- You’ve got Tulsi Gabbard literally echoing Kremlin propaganda verbatim on Western imperialism (yet not making a peep about Russia’s invasion of Ukraine)
- You’ve got Tucker Carlson flying to Moscow, simping for Putin, trying to show how great Russia is in contrast to the USA.
- You’ve got Rand Paul flying to Moscow hand-delivering letters on behalf of Trump.
There may be an intersection of my desire to not want to escalate for completely different reasons, and Kremlin operatives not wanting their ally and arms supplier to be crippled, but that is all.
All of those things you mentioned? Exactly what I was referencing earlier.
Definitely a fair point with one of Russia’s key military suppliers potentially being crippled, I agree. There have been other republican detractors in congress who don’t fall into the same boat and, again, I’m not sure I can really fault Gabbard (in this very specific context mind you) for just reiterating what the US’ own intelligence is saying.
Yeah real red blooded Americans want world war III
Real Americans yell TACO at trump until he bombs Iran.
This is just “the anti Vietnam War protestors are secretly working for the soviets” for the modern era. There were just as many conspiracies that left liberals were secretly agents of Moscow in the 60s.
Some right wing influencers have already been shown to take Kremlin money
Yeah, and there were plenty of left journalists on the payroll of Moscow in the 60s. They tended to cover the civil rights movement and anti-war movement very positively, does that mean the leaders of those movements were also secretly agents of the communists?
Has there been any proof that the people OP mentioned have any connection to putin? Don’t get me wrong there all horrible people, but it’s not because there “Russian assets” and if they’re gonna go against this God awful war then good on them.
I mean, many of those leaders were communists… But not agents of the Soviets, which was a convenient accusation tho
Anti-war people being consistent in their anti-war stance somehow means they’re Putin’s puppets.
Oh, so Tulsi Gabbard definitely 100% publicly denounced Russia’s unprecedented act of aggression and imperial invasion of Ukraine, right…?
… Right… ?
Do not conflate being against the war with Iran as being a Putin puppet.
To the contrary, I am conflating the fact that the alleged “anti-war” person (your words) suddenly wasn’t “anti-war” when Russia invaded Ukraine as being a Putin puppet; that, and the fact that US intelligence reports found that Russia was promoting Tulsi as the Democratic primaries candidate in 2020, among other things.
Bystanders take note how this individual is trying really hard to separate Tulsi Gabbard from the Kremlin. Like, really hard. Deflections and all.
Sounds like something one of Putin’s puppets would say.
What are they going to do? Record 3 hour video of p*tin narrating imaginary history?
Nah, they’ll just use AI to do that.
Russia’s basically already on two fronts and just lost a huge proportion of its strategic bombers.
Don’t forget their loss of strategic assets in Syria after the fall of Assad.
Oh no are they going to lose another million soldiers about it and crash their economy even harder?
trump really forgot the only reason he has a razor thin congressional majority, is Russia blackmailing Congress members into supporting him
Putin can make them all stop supporting trump just as easily.
Mr Putin come get your puppet under control
Putin this in my Putin wishlist.
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Killing Khamenei would be a bad move. That’s how martyrs are made, and they are already dialed up to 11 in Iran, so there is no reason to pour even more oil in the fire.
Khamenei is weak. Maybe he wasn’t in the beginning, but he has been for the past decade or so. Killing him is risky for US and Israel as that may potentially give Iran another stronger leader. Russia doesn’t want change either as Khamenei is known and manageable.
“Russia is very afraid”, Peskov said. “We cannot afford to lose an already weakened partner in a region where Russia is losing more and more influence” he proceeded.
Meh. I don’t see much steering room for their course. It isn’t Russia by the way, it’s Putin and his regime.
As long as they control the government, military, police and other stuff putin and his regime are russia. If russians don’t like that they can make their own Maidan.
That abstraction layer is correct, I think.
The thing with abstraction layers is: they are made to simplify a context. This makes it easier to understand and to see correlations and processes. It also hides details of the picture.
As far as I know there are people in Russia who work for their own goals. Those bridges don’t collapse themselves and it takes someone to derail a train or sabotage a helicopter or provide intelligence about movements.
Yes. Most people just eat the propaganda or at least don’t act up to evade repression (if they would care enough to do so otherwise). That’s normal human behavior, it’s no Russian specialty. Can you think of a current critical situation which would need immediate wide-spread attention, but people tend to ignore it?
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You won’t find ANY ruskie who will be against Russia-Ukraine war, Putin AND the annexation of Crimea.
We exist. But it’s right to asume one is a bastard or an indifferent enabler until proven otherwise. That’s a given.
Should Crimea belong to Ukraine?
Who are you to me again? Are you thick in the head?
See, that wasn’t even hard to make you prove my point
It’s not a gotcha you think it is, and it’s so tired it needs a wheelchair to move.
