Solving the conflict between a poor and powerless Palestine and the nuclear power of Israel IS one of the most complex political issues. Not only, but also because of the power-imbalance and generational hate on both sides.
The genocide in Gaza is decidedly NOT complex though. Yes it is a part of that entire thing, but the fact that the IDF is committing crimes against humanity is as simple as can be.
I always try to give people the benefit of doubt. But now he’s said too much for that to apply.
The entirety of Palestine, Gaza, and Israel is complex. Though, it has to be said, part of that is because Israel has done everything in their power to keep it “complex”. When serious progress was being made in the early years of their nation. Their response was to assassinate the mediator. Yes. Really. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_Bernadotte (Oh I mean… It was totally these extremists, a rebel group, and in no way was Israel involved, they investigated themselves and found no wrongdoing!)
The Israeli genocide in Gaza however. Is not very complex. It’s quite simple. It’s a genocide. And they need to be held accountable. Though I wouldn’t hold my breath.
I think this guy is an entertainment puffball who is not cut out to have sophisticated opinions on anything or any opinions about sophisticated matters, but he is fast becoming a textbook case on how that doesn’t matter because you can’t simply throw up your hands at genocide and say “I’m not a political person.”
“genocide bad” is not complex at all, actually.
World War II was also the most geopolitically complex issue on the planet.
The only thing making it complex is that Jews were the victims of a genocide too. Nothing more to it than humans not learning from history.
It’s not that complex Ed, just look at Elon Musk and Steve Bannon. They know how to express exactly what they mean.
Almost sounds like you have reservations about being a spineless pos.
So tired to hear about this hobbit it’s not even funny.
When you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.
-Geddy Lee, Neil Peart, and Alex Lifeson
when it’s genocide vs genocide the only winner is genocide
genocide
You should change the attribution to Rush. Neil was the lyricist of the group.
If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor
-Desmond Tutu
It’s not a matter of choice, either you have morals or you don’t. He doesn’t.
You have morals or you have money. It’s a binary thing really.
Does that make Keanu Reeves nonbinary?
An exception perhaps.
I’d say so, but even he is fallible - i remember him supporting some medical con-man (out of conviction, not out of greed) a few years back? Can’t remember details, but he caught online flak for it - deservedly
Yes! It’s so clear with issues like this one, too.
- There is a genocide
- Should you help in any way?
Those who answer “not sure” are absolutely the same as those who say “no”. History doesn’t remember future intentions, only actions that take place.
People who can’t even VOICE that genocide is wrong are fucking monsters.
Keep digging that hole, Ed.
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Isn’t Netanyahu wanted for genocide?
Well, it’s complex
Only by like 5-6 countries.
Only the countries with balls
Only the countries with a moral compass
Far more are ICC signatories, most of the world in fact.
However, some have cowardly said they will not arrest Netanyahu because Israel is not an ICC signatory.
Well, since it’s not a consensus, does it count?
No, he’s wanted for accusation of “the war crimes of starvation as a method of warfare and of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts from at least 8 October 2023 until at least 20 May 2024.”
OK so genocide with extra steps?
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No.
Genocide: The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group. You said they willfully targeted civilians. That fits the definition of genocide. Targeting the civilian population to kill on a large scale. Thats what they’re doing in Gaza. They even made israeli encampments and new settlements. Wiping them off slowly and replacing them with Israelis: Genocide. I know you’re a zionist. Dont pretend hitler didnt go jew for the fourth reich.
Is is maintain the status quo which is Israelis exterminating Palestinians
Listen, this genocide has a lot of nuances and moving parts and history, which means maybe it’s not a situation where you can just stick your neck in and say “Killing children is wrong”.
I mean, consider a corollary - the British extermination of the Irish. Yeah, it looked bad at the time. But a bunch of Irish people survived. And as a consequence, we have to put up with Ed Sheeran.
I clicked that link and his stupid mug made me reflexively want to down vote you.
Ed Sheeran is and always has been a hobbit. His aversion to taking positions on conflict of any kind only affirms it.
He’s ginger
Yeah, it’s a trait that shows up regularly in Celtic folks (and Jewish folks), but also appears all over Europe in smaller frequencies and to a lesser frequency across the old world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_hair
But yeah he appears to be of Irish descent.
Israel existing, and being protected from neighbors is, to my mind, a “complex political issue.”
Israel performing genocide on Palestinians and annexing their homes is not.
“yes, I know that snipers shoot children in the head for fun, but have you considered the complex history of the region?”
It’s not that complicated Ed. I got a pretty clear picture from an hour of research. Maybe if you get out of your algorithm for 20 minutes you might find something more tangible on the situation than a few chapters from a dusty religious text and the word of a bunch of rich assholes with vested interests in the region.
A couple years ago it was complex. The complexity just stopped mattering once Israel turned the conflict into a war of annihilation.
It was always this simple at its core. What made it complex was that most people believed Israeli lies.
Right now, Israel is doing exactly what they’ve done since the very first day. They’re just doing it faster now, and in the age of ubiquitous video coverage and information flow.
“Complex” doesn’t mean “balanced”. Israel has always pulled underhanded shit like extending its de facto borders by means of “settlements”. The Hamas/PLO fight also didn’t happen without its involvement. But there have also been factors like the involvement of foreign powers, German guilt, the similarity between Zionism and early Nazi deportation plans, and so on.
The conflict between Israel and Palestine has been a mess from the very beginning and it’s understandable that people were reluctant to get involved. Of course these days most of that complexity doesn’t matter and not taking a stand is a luxury we shouldn’t be able to afford.
(I’m saying “shouldn’t be able to” because honestly we routinely ignore genocides; this one just happens to be particularly hard to ignore because Israel is a spotlight hog with huge diplomatic influence.)
I agree. The whole history of that area is quite the mess, and Israel started as an one. It is oversimplification to say the chain of events leading to all this is simple… But the genocide is. There is nothing complicated in condemning a state trying to exterminate a group of people. There is no neutral stance to take. You either accept the genocide, by supporting it directly, or indirectly by not opposing it - or you oppose it.
“Complex” means “balanced” when people like Sheeran use it to mean there are “bad people on both sides” to justify not taking a stand. Which is the explicit usage we were talking about.
But yeah, other ways you can use the world “complex”, do not imply “balanced”. If that’s how you were using it, in this instance where it was being used differently, you should have stated such.
I get that’s how it seemed if you weren’t read up on it back then, and you’re not to blame, but what’s happening now is just a matter of extent.
Nah, it was always simple. Don’t murder civilians. Even the Oct 7th stuff is kinda misleading. Israel has been fucking with Palestinians for so long it’s not surprising there are people who want them dead. But, everyone is a terrorist in the eyes of a state when it’s convenient for them. And for the record, this isn’t a defense of Hamas.
Yep. Before, there was still some ambiguity (especially if you grew up in a german speaking country like me, who have their own wounds regarding Israel) - Hamas and Israel both weren’t “the good guys”, because after decades there was no one left with a clean rep sheet, but they were both not actively working on completely annihilating each other. But what Israel started after Oct 7 has reset all of this. And as long as Israel doesn’t get the fuck out of Gaza, the West Bank and the areas they are trying to make unlivable for civilians since the start of the Iran fuckup and starts making amends, i will never cry a single tear for any civilians in Israel getting hurt, because just like the americans, they did not do enough to prevent fascists taking over their country.
