Use OpenStreetMaps
Yeah I know it could be incomplete at times but its our job as a community to improve it if we want “free” software
But, but I want my stuff to work perfectly without me putting any effort or paying monies 😭
Try CoMaps, it works great (as long as the area is mapped in OSM)
That’s the dumb thing. I’m always willing to concede that you need to make things as smooth and seamless for your users as possible, but let’s get away from this culture of no stakes investment. Let’s work together to buy in.
remember when apple didn’t have ads because they were premium?
All of these Big Tech companies are slimy fucks actively working to enslave humanity. There are no good guys. I puked in my mouth watching Tim Cook fawn over Trump. None of these people have a shred of decency. Fuck Apple. Fuck Google. Buy a paper map.
Better yet, help support open data initiatives like OpenStreetMaps or alternatives. No reason why maps can’t be digital without ads.
Tried to, but they block some vpn IPs and ne some mail domains, notably mail aliases
Plus they basically stopped replying to me. Are mail aliases really used as spam? I believe it’s a made up thing
And anyways, when contacting them manually, it should be enough to understand that it’s not automated. It would be so easy to spam register using non flagged IPs and non flagged domains but they’re still rigid about these rules. I hate when services do that.
support open data initiatives like OpenStreetMaps
Yes!, continue supporting OpenStreetMaps so Apple, Mapbox, Microsoft, Uber and Lyft can continue turning your free work into millions of dollars.
buy a paper map…no man we went away from that for a reason.
Apple has really lost its identity.
Apple Silicon is really all that seperate them.
Eh. Even mediatek chips are getting to the point where they’re enough. Chip doesn’t really matter anymore.
mediatek chips are garbage compared to qualcomm and apple. anytime i had to use a phone with a mediatek chip in it, or a chromebook, it was so bad.
Qualcomm is getting close with Elite series, but Apple still has the lead. Others are pretty behind in performance. Mediatek is fine if your only use case is watching YouTube.
I love how everyone is calling Apple users dumb here when Google has been doing the same thing for longer and both platforms let you install other map apps.
Yes, but apple has been charging double the price for their products on the basis of ‘privacy’ and ‘premiumness’
So I’m actually a moderately tech-savvy individual. Software engineer, been using Linux since Karmic Koala (of course I’ve used many other distros since then, including Gentoo for a few years and now I’m using TumbleWeed on one computer and NixOS on another). I can even figure out how a printer works, believe it or not.
I just hate this whole “only stupid people who don’t know about tech buy iPhones” rhetoric.
Samsung and Google have caught up in prices. I guess only Google is a tiny bit cheaper, Samsung is definitely right up there with Apple.
OnePlus was a good option if you wanted a cheaper flagship, but they both 1) ruined their OS and 2) went more expensive.
I actually bought an iPhone for 4 primary reasons:
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Lightning port is easier to clean out than USB-C and I get a LOT of pocket lint for some reason.
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Carplay used the entire screen in my S205 whereas Android Auto had the Android Auto logo on like 1/3 of the screen.
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Back when I did it, Apple was the only one giving 5-6 years of major OS upgrades to their old phones and OnePlus only gave me 3, lagging far behind AOSP and the whole OxygenOS to ColorOS switch RUINED the phone for me. I did use a custom ROM for a while before that, but my bank app stopped working with that regardless of whatever I did, so I switched to stock ROM and then upgraded to ColorOS and the phone became nearly unusable. It was 3 years old (the model, anyway; the phone in question was 2 years old). Every single one of my iPhone using friends said that never has a major OS upgrade inconvenienced them in any way.
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I just felt like I don’t have time to play with custom ROMs and stuff anymore and since I don’t, I might as well go with the option that works great out of the box, rather than the one that I can infinitely customize to my liking.
Now, this whole issue: It’s not actually using user data AFAIK, so there are no privacy implications in this specific instance IMO. They just allow companies to pay to show up near the top in Maps. Not a move I’m a fan of, but I’m assuming Google has been doing this for a decade or 2 at least.
Does that mean I trust Apple? Fuck no. They’re still a for-profit corporation. They still want to make as much profit as possible.
You aren’t crazy. I’ve switched back and forth and currently have an iPhone, but currently primarily use a Thinkpad with a nice minimal Sway-based Alpine Linux desktop and a handful of Debian and 'BSDs kicking around on various machines. There are dozens of us!
Apple phones eeks out current Google options for privacy, security, minimalism, and service life, IMHO, but barely, and other people will argue the other way - I don’t care. When there is a legit Linux phone option, I’ll probably move then. I just try to use a phone as little as possible in my interaction with technology.
I don’t actually regard them as a healthy form-factor for technology. A keyboard and 14’ screen is more conducive to creating things or fulsomeness discussion in written form. Depending on the content, they are better for consuming text content (though eReaders are better for some content), and for multi-media consumption, large screens like TVs are better for the eyes.
My NixOS machine is a Thinkpad too! Tumbleweed runs on the gaming desktop. I can tinker with it (and in fact this is the machine that used to run Gentoo - I tried to get the absolute maximum performance in games lol), it’s fine. But my phone, I just want to get out of my way. It should do the things a phone does and do them reliably and with a long service life. Similar reason why I actually like having a Macbook around (though I don’t have one right now). It’s my always-works, no-tinkering machine with great performance and battery life, that I use for work.
My primary use cases for the phone are messaging, doomscrolling and banking. Heavily customizable Android offers me no advantage here. I haven’t changed most default settings on iOS either - only switched to SwiftKey because while I hate giving Microsoft any data, it’s the only keyboard I can use with ease, as I’ve been using it for over a decade (I used to download the pro version APK off some APK site back when the Pro version was separate, that’s how long I’ve been using it).
There is a singular thing I miss from Android of course. Ability to install apps not blessed by Apple/Google. When Google kills that off, then I will see no advantage in Android. Either way, I’m also holding out for a proper Linux phone option. Until then it’s going to be iOS unless they fuck something up real bad and I take the time out of my life to move to GrapheneOS.
Yeah, I’m an old software engineer who uses linux on all of my actual computers, but I still have an old iphone for doing phone shit.
In the real world, most outspoken anti-apple people aren’t super techy and use some nightmare of corporate bloat phone they bought at the Verizon store.
Here on Lemmy though, you have a WAY higher proportion of people who are running devices they actually control.
I still believe the majority here don’t know shit and repeat stuff like the video from The Hated One, which only apply if you run a custom Android ROM, and even then, it’s based on their opinion only and no metrics or real data to back it up
I mean, that’s how most people seem to be about most things.
But when you put them in a context that makes people get tribal like choice of phone, game console, political party, or religion, it goes into turbo-dumb.
im tech savvy, but i also want to participate in society, so i just buy the best budget android phone i can afford. thats it. all i use are lemmy, my bank, and my phone to pay, and then browse for research
I used to do budget Androids but they got so slow in just a year or two. Mostly I blame eMMC degradation but there’s also a massive difference in processing power between the high and low end.
I wanted something to last me multiple years so I got a Oneplus 7 Pro. That got slow because they ruined their OS so I gave up and went iPhone. No complaints so far.
iPhones are nice but their price tag ain’t. I have a moto G stylus 5G 2025 and it’s working great. 400 bucks and works like a flagship for my uses.
The Moto G I had a while ago was great actually. It only lasted a bit over 2 years though. Mine was the second gen. After that, I had two cheapo Chinese phones and then I started moving upmarket because of my sour experiences.
My Oneplus is still usable 6 years later, but only with a custom ROM and the battery life is shit. And the microphone is shot. If they’d kept OxygenOS and given longer support, I probably would have stayed with them to be honest. First 2 years of ownership were awesome.
i just buy whatever midrange i can afford (400 CAD ish) and call it a day.
And that’s worse for your data than iOS
I gave up on data privacy a long time ago. When you need to use banking apps and paying with my phone.
Then it’s up to how much one values having slightly better privacy over the rest. You can’t blame someone wanting the best of both worlds without too much effort but at a higher price
Besides, iOS
hashad a relatively good interface and the best chips and energy efficiency, one of the best cameras, but ofc lacks in other areasI don’t buy the fact that apple is more secure than android. but what do i know, i’m not a mobile OS developer.
I just hate this whole “only stupid people who don’t know about tech buy iPhones” rhetoric.
But that’s the audience Apple primarily attracts. I work in office IT, so it involves people doing stuff with smartphones and the amount of people not knowing basic shit how to use smartphones is staggering among iPhone users.
Me: “So here’s your VoIP app…” *user already disables microphone permission in the middle of me starting the introduction* “You need the microphone for the other party to hear you.”
Customer: “No, I don’t want to allow microphone access because of spying apps.”
Me: “Well, you wanted to use a VoIP app and without that permission, you cannot make a call.”
Customer: “You cannot expect me to know such things! I’m just a regular user!”
Samsung and Google have caught up in prices. I guess only Google is a tiny bit cheaper, Samsung is definitely right up there with Apple.
Only when you’re not able to pick a different model.
It’s not actually using user data AFAIK, so there are no privacy implications in this specific instance IMO.
Funny how Apple and their users keep repeating this but when one sets up an Apple device for the first time, the wizard asks so many “Can Apple use your data?” questions. There would be no need if Apple did nothing.
Obviously the answer applies when you reply no
They use the data for App Store recommendations and for insights
Many open source and privacy respecting services collect your data as well. Many distros or software have some sort of anonymous or pseudonymous data collection
Apple is not great in terms of privacy, but it’s a lot better than stock or mainstream Android when comparing usability and ease of use. Should you go the custom ROM route, then it can be the other way around, but I don’t believe most people criticizing iOS here run a custom ROM that improves their privacy
GrapheneOS helps for example, but you’re still tied to their proprietary Google play services that’s probably full of tracking, unless you’re one of the few that don’t use play services at all
MicroG is probably better for privacy and anonymity. Less secure, but that’s another issue.
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I don’t think Apple is “premium” since 5-10 years. Google pixel and Samsung galaxy series caught up
And bypassed. For the price of a Galaxy Fold you can buy an iPhone AND an iPad or even MacBook.
Let’s see what iPhone fold will cost….
and there is little difference in the flagships anyways. its just hype at that point.
As an iPhone owner and former pixel owner, pixels are more premium, cost less, work better, but depreciate faster. I look forward to the day I replace this with a pixel.
Both sides of the duopoly are shit. Some variances in the type of shit, but still.
We need a jingle for Enshittification.
This is good! They dont deserve it.
i just wish OSM was more complete… it’s fine for big cities, but when you live in small rural areas it’s practically useless. my village only has its roads mapped, nothing else.
(and yes i know you can edit the map. and that it’s the entire point of OSM. i know that. but it takes a ton of effort, and it’s an ongoing effort because cities change!)
OSM contributors, you are amazing and cherished and your work does not go unappreciated. i just wish there was more of us…
I know of a few rural places that have far more information on OSM than Google. Especially if those areas have a lot of hiking trails. Looking at the logs, it’s typically a small handful of people adding things over significant time. It’s worth keeping both on your device, and making edits on occasion. Rural areas change pretty slowly typically.
Funny thing, over here, OSM actually got weird rural stuff for a couple of rural towns I visited frequently about a year before Google Maps (and other proprietary services) was usable there. I think it had to do with some open-data drop from the government.
And seeing the services grow side by side also kind of gave away what their priorities were. Google: putting the local businesses and services on the map. OSM: document every single cool and convenient foot and bike trail.
Once you create a monetization team that puts ads in shit, they’re going to want to keep putting more ads in stuff. They’re all judged on how much better they do year over year.
Apple should’ve never created a team that sold ads on their platforms.
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Mmmmm, corpo defense via victim blaming. You love to see it.
Next up, Microsoft is obligated to install 24/7 spyware on all ststems because tech incompetent users don’t know how to use anything else.
Indeed. Between 150 and 40 years ago a “platform” that sold devices and also vertically owned everything up to and including the advertising business on those devices would have been illegal. Even AT&T didn’t try to mess with the actual content of your phone conversations, despite de facto being given a get-out-of-jail-free card with regards to monopolistic behaviour for 70 years. This isn’t a matter of people being bad at buying stuff.
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Magic Earth has been great to use 🙂
Aye, its a great app!
Mac user for over 30 years, no problem - they make it easier and easier to say goodbye, which it’s now time for, thanks to Apple adding on to Trump’s mansion with a huge donation after the gold award earlier this year.
Steve Jobs wasn’t sure Tim was right for the creative side of the Mac, but he knew the business side would keep humming. And now here we are, Apple the IBM of 90 years ago, so happy to help out the fascists.
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Bye bye Apple Maps hello CoMaps
That will inconvenience the Apple map user. I’m sure they’re devastated by this news.
Something organic will replace it.
Stop dreaming
Organic maps has already replaced everything else on my mobile devices.
And then there’s the drama and CoMaps…
But good that you switched! from my experience it’s very inferior to gmaps when talking about public transports or estimating traffic (I believe it doesn’t account for it)
Something organic will replace it.
Unless there is beef among developers and they fork their own CoMaps with blackjack and hookers
I don’t use Apple, but honestly Apple is ruining everything, while Organic Maps and others are winning.
I love Apple Maps. I’ve been using it since it came out and it’s been great. This bums me out.
