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    I believe the .gov rumor isn’t true, and it’s mainly .edus. I haven’t seen it, though. Waiting for someone to drop a pastebin/other leak, because all the reddit threads showing a source end up getting removed before I can read them.

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      I’ve seen the list on the party site. There were 3 .edu out of 219 emails total. 152 gmail, 17 hotmail/outlook, 18 protonmail, 2 4chan, and the rest were custom.

      No .gov.

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        I know there were plenty of ways to get a free .edu email circulating around the internet for a while too, because they could be used to get student discounts on subscriptions or software. 4chan users seem like the likely sort to try that loophole.

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    No you stupid motherfucker, of course it’s not true, use your god damn head! Media literacy is fucking dead. Fucking smooth-brained, tik-tok rotted, ipad kids; stop falling for the most blatantly false BS!

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      so my media literacy is that the US government is so wholesome they would never do that? or that Government employees are smart enough to not use there .gov email for this?

      I am failing to see how some or even just 1 mod having a .gov is so below the level of belivablity that it must be disreguarded prematurely. I am in this comment in no way saying they where present, but also that it seems silly to just assume that this is “obviously not a think that could happen” Like the articles that will spring up that someone broke the speed of light

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        Reading through other comments, looks like someone went through the list. There isn’t a .gov address on it. Looks like this is literally fake news.

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      Well, yes, very clearly it’s a “man on screen said it” situation, but it’s not like that’s new.

      People who repeated “ground control to {insert name}” to get the attention of someone whose mind was elsewhere didn’t believe they were actually addressing an astronaut. It’s an idiom born of the current cultural zeitgeist.

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      Lol bro younger generations just say random shit to sound cool.

      I’m remembering how many times I said “epic” or phonetically pronounced “lulz” in every day speech when I was younger. It’s just something kids do.

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      I think it’s Gen Alpha, not Gen Z.

      A friend of mine teaches middle school maths, and every kid in the class is striving to be an influencer or twitch streamer, no other aspirations in life.

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        There’s no longer any realistic path to wealth for anyone who doesn’t have nepotism on their side.

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            Kids are smarter than we give them credit for. It’s like kids dreaming of being actors or singers or athletes.

            Even if they think their teachers are good people, they clearly see that they don’t drive fancy cars. Even if their parents are middle income earners, they aren’t as famous or rich as the people babysitting them on screen. It may be more obnoxious and more piped straight into their eyeballs now but it’s hardly new.

            Hell I’m a grown ass adult and I think about every once in a while.

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              Hell I’m a grown ass adult and I think about every once in a while.

              Have fun talking to chat which is at most 3 people for years while waiting for your breakthrough

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                Not who you responded to, but when I play with the idea of starting streaming, that’s the kind of vibe I wish for, not the breakthrough part

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              I didn’t imply kids were dumb or unobservant, I just meant they are not thinking as deeply as that comment I replied to. What you say is much simpler: they see teacher driving a hoopty while xQC has millions of dollars and does whatever the fuck he wants. That’s a natural reaction to want to be like the person that isn’t seemingly struggling; and you’re right, it isn’t new at all.

              I don’t think the kids are considering nepotism and the nuanced path to wealth, though. They just see streaming/influencing can make a lot of money and that’s probably as far as it goes.

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        and this is why I limit Internet access to my kids.

        I get compliments on how sweet and courteous my kids(under 10) are and get asked what my secret is. I tell parents, “YouTube only 30 minutes a week. all other internet content is blocked. no Facebook, tik tok, x, etc.”

        they give me the most confused and sometimes disgusted looks.

        don’t know when, but society became far too dependent on being “connected”. it’s far easier to give it up when it’s your choice vs when it’s taken from you.

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          At some point you should give them some more freedom. That’s very restrictive on the connections they can make with their peers as they won’t learn the cultural norms.

          You’re not benefitting them in the long term, they will be stunted in their grasp of the Internet, which is very important in today’s landscape. They will also go behind your back to access the internet with NO restrictions rather than you being able to block some of the worst stuff and letting them access normal stuff.

          Granted if they’re under 10 that’s fine, but consider opening up as they get older.

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          IMO, Facebook being adopted by Baby Boomers was a big player in becoming too dependent.

          Good on you, though. Teach those kids to touch grass as a normal activity!

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        I hear plenty of zoomers say it but I also don’t interact with gen alpha so have no idea if it started with them

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          To me it seems like GenZ started the phrase, but because they are the ones that really got streaming off the ground. Gen Alpha are the ones adding it to modern slang unironically and out of context

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      Tbf, the zoomer/boomer thing is in the same vein.

      If I can recall, chat was a term used in old IRC rooms, too. Just fads coming back around. Its just like “groovy” or “bees knees”. Every gen has their slang.

      Its literally too much stress for me to get irritated over something so small. I have enough stress already. We all do. Save yourself a pointless wrinkle, friend.

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          Yeah, I hit a few rooms that said ‘chat’, but it wasn’t really a solid thing. That was the fun part of not having centralized social platforms. Each room had its own thing, and it was hilarious when you said something that was popular in one room in another and found someone you knew from that same room.

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      I think it comes from streamers who might legitimately ask their viewers, who are partaking in the stream through a chat, “chat, is this X?”

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      My real name starts with Chat and since it’s a little difficult to pronounce if you don’t know French I use it as a nickname.people always asking me weird questions on the Internet.

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      Your second paragraph should’ve been your clue. The “chat” they’re talking about is the chat attached to a YouTube or Twitch stream. It’s influencer brainrot slang.

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      My guess is it was accidentally done by people watching too many streamers who would intentionally call the group of chatters as chat. It was then done ironically as a way to illicit a reaction on something as a streamer did. Then became more regular nomenclature to query a group

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      Funny moments get shared between friends and spreads its reach -> Long form reaction content creates sharable moments -> Livestreams generate long form reaction content -> Livestreams have a chat that accompanies the streamer -> Streamer refers to chat during funny moments -> This is referenced as a meme -> Talking to chat spreads beyond the original context

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      … If you do it occasionally, when contextually appropriate… it is funny, a self aware reference to how they spend a lot of time on twitch streams, and are expressing disbelief.

      When you do it all the time, reflexively, regardless of context… yeah, that may indicate that that just is your baseline norm for social interaction and you fundamentally cannot or do not distinguish between the contexts of online interaction and irl interaction.

      There a whole lot of kids now who are just basically raises from near birth by screens. Parents with no free time or parents who don’t give a shit just give the kid a distraction rectangle so they don’t have to … raise them.

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        I’m going to try it with my fiancée when she goes to work tomorrow and see if she gives me her ring.

        I’ll report back my findings.

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        I did that once with my nephews at the end of a video call and they laughed their ass off. My sister couldn’t understand what was so funny about that.

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      Chat just became synonymous with readers/listeners in modern slang. I also went through my “old man yells at cloud” phase about it, but it’s fine, I guess. I still get annoyed when people say the name of twitch emotes, though.

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      “don’t forget to like and subscribe”

      That seems more like the result of bad parenting.

      I think a lot of young people see content creation as the only way they can make the money they want/need. I think many of them idolize streamers/content creators, and so they emulate them however they can. Part of that is dreaming to eventually have a ‘chat’ to say ‘chat’ to.

      Makes me pretty sad, tbh.

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      “chat” is this Lemmy thread, in this example. it addresses the audience. it’s the streamer equivalent of breaking the fourth wall.

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      Life in the social media age is one in which identity is developed performatively through profilicity. People from the earlier eras created themselves in the face of the Big Other, often as God, or as the crowd of society at large, their families, etc. Younglings of the new age have personified the Big Other as the digital crowd, imagined viewers of their life-as-livestream.

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    Not terribly surprising, it was understood that at a minimum 4chan was working with the FBI a decade ago. It’s also entirely likely they weren’t hacked and the leak is fake as well.

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      Wouldnt be surprised either. I watched the documentary deep web and the feds admit publicly they were running half of the dark web business to make their way to the top. Like there isnt anything better to do than subscribe and wait (there isnt corrupt officials who sold their souls to aipac, congress doing inside trading, billionaires screwing working class and buying governments, healthcare causing ten of thousands of deaths, …)

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        4chan was a place you could see child porn on any given day and it was still active. That doesn’t just happen without the government being ok with it.

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    Afaik some were using gov emails but that’s not majority. Not a psyop, just dumbasses

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    If they are US government employees, they wouldn’t be arrogant enough to use official work email addresses.

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        Idk why they’re bringing arrogance into it, but you’d get caught using official email for personal projects in like… a minute. And if it’s official work, why would they risk exposing themselves instead of going through one of the million us gov email proxies?

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          About 5 years ago I would’ve agreed but since then I’ve seen some shit in publicly streamed trials and politics, so I don’t hold any standard anymore regarding this.

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            It’s just now how it works though, most government firewalls wouldn’t even deliver the emails. It’s a constant pain in the ass to get legit emails in from non-government sources, even promotional marketing spam has to jump through a bunch of hoops to not get filtered (by which I mean they just pay off microsoft to get on the approved list, fucking thanks microsoft…). Fortress & Friends have very little chill and have been made even more paranoid in a bid to mitigate phishing. This is why there’s so many proxy services or even just outside email servers set up for us government correspondence (plot twist, butterymales is sop big shock I know)

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    Anybody got the ip of the mods? I can’t find the sj post (deleted?). I wanna know distribution of mods by country.

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    Guys, you know if payments for 4chan gold were leaked?

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      Meh… No matter how funny this is, it’s a genuinely serious situation. People are genuinely confused. If you just spread misinformation, that’s what it is: misinformation. A lie. IMO.

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        it’s in greentext format, clearly labeling it as a joke. if you take it seriously you are an idiot. jokes are not sources of factual information, so only an idiot treats them that way.

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          Yes, have you not being paying attention? Fake news isn’t for intelligent people, it’s to convince idiots to believe lies. You saying this is like saying the sky is blue, obviously you should not get your information from memes. Anyone with half of a brain understands this.

          Do you think the alcohol ridden, worm bitten brains of the average conservative has enough brain to recognize that? Do you think that your average idiot on the left has enough brain to recognize that this is a lie? Because there are people in these comments deliberating over whether or not we should even care that there are .gov addresses on the list, which btw there are none and yes, you should if it were the truth.

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            jokes don’t need to be factually accurate. people are allowed to say things just to be entertaining, get off your high horse and think for once.

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    Can we talk about goated too? Adding the ed at the end just makes it sound stupid. If you wanna say a comment is the greatest of all time, you can just say goat comment and it doesn’t sound so stupid. It’s like saying ‘excellented comment’. Like what?

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      “Goated” sounds better out loud. I think there’s also a verb/action component to it it - more like a “lauded comment.” To be “goated” is to be recognized as something that someone might consider the greatest comment of all time.

      You can’t prescribe language, just go with the flow. The real fun of Gen Z and Gen Alpha slang is using it against them.

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        I see what you’re saying but personally I don’t think it does; Michael Jordan is the GOAT. Not because some gen zer decided that he’s the GOAT and should be goated. The gall to think any one person can judge a something as being the GOAT therefore can declare it ‘goated’ is just rediculous to me.